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If that is as simple as Yogesh seems to be describing, I would support.<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DBWG] Order of DBM objects within whois.afrinic.net IRR DB</font>
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<div class="">The re-ordering is being done <span class="" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">when an object is created or updated. We could simply stop doing it.</span></div>
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Given that other databases present attributes in the way that Patrick is requesting, it's hard to imagine a scenario where making this behavior change would break any user implementations.<br class="">
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I agree that the reordering does render the remarks attribute fairly useless for its typical purpose.<br class="">
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However, since this is (?) a purely cosmetic issue, I wouldn't recommend spending anything other than minimal cycles changing it. Perhaps staff could provide guidance on the kind of work this would require.<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
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<font face="Calibri, sans-serif" class="" style="font-size:11pt"><b class="">From:</b><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>Patrick Holahan <<a href="mailto:patrickh@tenet.ac.za" class="">patrickh@tenet.ac.za</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, December 17, 2019 5:06:46 PM<br class="">
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [DBWG] Order of DBM objects within
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<span class="">Hi Nishal,<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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<span class="">Unfortunately the response 3 months after the initial request only stated the below:</span></div>
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<span class="" style="">Hello Mr. Holahan,</span><span class="" style=""></span></div>
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<span class="" style="">I hope this email finds you well. Thank you for your valuable feedback and I am</span></div>
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<span class="" style="">I see you write remarks about certain fields (in this case members:) on the</span></div>
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<span class="" style="">following line when creating an object (in this case as-set:), and you expect</span></div>
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<span class="" style="">the WHOIS output to therefore respect the order of fields as they were</span></div>
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<span class="" style="">originally created for the remarks to be meaningful.</span></div>
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<span class="" style="">If we modify the default behaviour, it will affect all users of the WHOIS. We</span></div>
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<span class="" style="">could instead add a flag to make this happen, as you rightly suggested.</span></div>
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<span class="" style="">However, for this change of behaviour of the WHOIS service, I would ask you to</span></div>
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<b class=""><span class="" style="font-size:12pt">From:<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span class="" style="font-size:12pt">Nishal Goburdhan <<a href="mailto:nishal@controlfreak.co.za" class="">nishal@controlfreak.co.za</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Date:<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, 17 December 2019 at 16:53<br class="">
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<b class="">Subject:<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [DBWG] Order of DBM objects within
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On 17 Dec 2019, at 16:45, Patrick Holahan wrote:</div>
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