<div dir="ltr">Understood, But AfriNIC will not add a member from Pakistan! PTA is the regulator of Telecom in Pakistan, they can dictate any procedure they want. Hypothetically, if an organization registers with Afrinic from Pakistan, and IF Afrinic agrees to give them membership and ip resources "only if", the paid member is breaking the law and the regulations in Pakistan and they can revoke his license!.<div>The question is not about the license operators but the directives they sent to their operators and the Alleged Letter NRS indicated in their video!</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 4:05 PM Ben Roberts <Ben.Roberts@liquid.tech> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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PTAs stance on which RIR they allow licenced operators in Pakistan to source IPs is entirely the business of Pakistan, PTA, and licenced operators in Pakistan. They have no regulatory powers over Africa, and unless they are a paid up member of Afrinic, then
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Kind regards.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 22, 2022 5:50:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ben Roberts <Ben.Roberts@liquid.tech><br>
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<div>1- Is the reason justified to get the IP resources still applicable?</div>
<div>2- are the ip resources still in use for that justified reason?</div>
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<div>herewith what PTA directed its members (especially about afrinic)</div>
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<div>if PTA as the telecom authority is prohibiting the use of IP resources from Afrinic, Rather especially from afrinic, how a broker is going beyond that directive?</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 3:22 PM Ben Roberts <Ben.Roberts@liquid.tech> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto" style="color:rgb(33,33,33);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">It is possible to postulate that AFRINIC threw the first punch buy revoking membership and resource holdings of members who relied upon those resources for their business. <span></span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 22, 2022 4:46:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> tech <<a href="mailto:tech@cloudinnovation.org" target="_blank">tech@cloudinnovation.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> community-discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>>; members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear AFRINIC,<br>
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As a resource member in good standing, I would like to advise AFRINIC should be very cautious in dealing with the resource member who filed countless litigations against all of us.<br>
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The said member obtained an ex-parte to freeze AFRINIC bank accounts. Was this to force AFRINIC to the table.<br>
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They repeatedly secured multiple court injunctions to paralyze AFRINIC to its knees so that they can force AFRINIC to the mediation table.<br>
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They filed injunctions to stop Members from exercising our rights to vote in our own elections and led to AFRINIC not having a full board. This was to bring AFRINIC to its knees so that they can force AFRINIC to mediation.<br>
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AFRINIC, its resource members, and AFRICAN governments and civil society should all ensure that AFRINIC is not tricked by the same group.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 2:20 PM tech <<a href="mailto:tech@cloudinnovation.org" target="_blank">tech@cloudinnovation.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Following public speculation, Cloud Innovation can confirm that it has requested formal mediation with AFRINIC via<span> </span>the
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<p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">We are yet to hear back formally from AFINIC but we are hopeful that they will accept our request.</span><br>
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<p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">The issues raised by Cloud Innovation, and other members of AFRINIC, are of global importance and sitting down to discuss the
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<p style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">We commit to confirm if AFRINIC agree to participate in our mediation but the actual mediation discussions would remain confidential.</span><br>
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