<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 17, 2022, at 14:19 , Sylvain Baya <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" class="">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Dear AfriNIC's Community,</span><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Hope this email finds you in good health!</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class=""><tl;dr>warning: long email; where i mostly pasted</div><div class=""> sections 4 & 6 of AfriNIC's RSA. Because it appears</div><div class=""> that reading full RSA is mandatory for AfriNIC's </div><div class=""> Resource Members (RM)! keep reading, please :-D </div><div class=""></tl;dr></div></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Please see my comments below, inline...<br class=""><br class="">Le vendredi 17 juin 2022, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><wbr class="">> a écrit :<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 15, 2022, at 13:07 , John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank" class="">jcurran@arin.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 15 Jun 2022, at 1:30 PM, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><wbr class="">> wrote:</div>...<br class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">AFRINIC has not won or last any cases yet regarding the geographical restriction of IP Utilization. This is more misinformation from you.</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">I expect that with regard to that particular issue, AFRINIC will lose, as a plain text reading of the governing documents does not support such aa restriction except in the case of addresses issued after the activation of the soft landing policy.</div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">Owen - </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""></span>Since you’re opining on such matters, do you believe a "plain text reading" of the applicable documents allows AFRINIC to restrict use to the same purpose for which they were originally requested and issued?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Unless notification was provided pursuant to RSA clause 4(iv)(3), yes.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hi Owen,</div><div class="">Thanks for your email, brother.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You probably meant 4(c)(iv)(3)...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...i recall that the question is about keeping </div><div class="">*the purpose*; through the CoS (Conditions </div><div class="">of Service) [1,2]:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><paste1></div><div class=""><div class="">[...]</div><div class="">*4. Conditions of service*</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(a) Where a member, receiving service under an existing agreement applies for a change or a variation of the </div><div class="">type of such service which AFRINIC has been supplying to it, evaluation of such a “change request” will be effected in </div><div class="">terms of the provisions of clause (2) of the present agreement.</div><div class="">(b) Cooperation:</div><div class="">(i) An applicant receiving service under an agreement is at all times bound to provide to AFRINIC such </div><div class="">information, assistance and cooperation as may be reasonably required by the latter in the provision </div><div class="">of the service.</div><div class="">(ii) Such request for information may also be made where AFRINIC is investigating (reviewing) the </div><div class="">applicant’s utilisation of the number resources already assigned to it.</div><div class="">(iii) Failure by the applicant, to comply with a request made at above may:</div><div class="">(1) entail revocation or withholding of the service supplied by AFRINIC;</div><div class="">(2) be taken into account by AFRINIC in its evaluation for further and future assignment or </div><div class="">allocation of number resources;</div><div class="">(3) lead to the closure of an LIR and termination of the agreement by AFRINIC.</div><div class="">(c) Applicant’s use of the service</div><div class="">The Applicant hereby irrevocably:</div><div class="">(i) Commits itself to using the services solely for the purpose for which it was requested.</div><div class="">(ii) Commits itself to using the services in full and unreserved compliance with AFRINIC’s policies and </div><div class="">mandate:</div><div class="">(1) without knowingly infringing the rights and/or interests of other users of such services,</div><div class="">(2) within the limits of applicable laws and/or regulations of the jurisdiction in which it operates.</div><div class="">(iii) Further acknowledges that AFRINIC may at its own discretion and for good cause and common </div><div class="">Interest of the stability of the Internet, investigate or cause to be investigated, the Applicant’s use of </div><div class="">the services by the appropriate and competent authority(ies).</div><div class="">(iv) Hereby binds itself to:</div><div class="">(1) notify AFRINIC whenever its circumstances so change that it is no longer in need of the </div><div class="">Internet number resources supplied or being supplied to it under a Registration Service </div><div class="">Agreement;</div><div class="">(2) surrender to AFRINIC within 15 days of the service of the notice at (iv)(1) above the Internet </div><div class="">number resources supplied or being supplied to it under a Registration Service Agreement;</div><div class="">(3) update any data submitted to AFRINIC in the context of:</div><div class="">a. an application for a Registration Service Agreement or</div><div class="">b. the renewal of any Registration Service Agreement</div><div class="">whenever such data have been the subject of amendment, change or have become outdated.</div><div class="">(d) AFRINIC will comply with all applicable data protection and privacy laws of the Republic of Mauritius in its </div><div class="">handling of data and information submitted to it by the Applicant in furtherance of an application for services </div><div class="">and use thereof.</div><div class="">[...]</div><div class=""></paste1><br class=""></div><div class="">__</div><div class="">[1]: <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa" target="_blank" class="">https://www.afrinic.net/<wbr class="">membership/agreements#rsa</a></div><div class="">[2]:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.afrinic.net/ast/pdf/services/afrinic-rsa-en-201801.pdf" target="_blank" class="">https://www.afrinic.net/ast/<wbr class="">pdf/services/afrinic-rsa-en-<wbr class="">201801.pdf</a></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">BtW, first, the purpose isn't still the same. Right?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My understanding is that in the case of Cloud Innovation, this requirement was met by updates to WHOIS, as no other process for providing said updates is provided in the RSA, CPM, or bylaws.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...what's the provision in either legal and policy </div><div class="">documents which could imply that a justification </div><div class="">of change in initial declared/commited purpose </div><div class="">might be done with simple IRR database updates?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>WHOIS is not an IRR database. It is, for all intents and purposes the public registry database where all changes to the registrations of a set of IP addresses are maintained.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="">...i pasted that whole section of the RSA because </div><div class="">that very AfriNIC's RSA appears to be one year </div><div class="">validity doc.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Yes, but pursuant to its terms, it is automatically renewed on a year to year basis so long as the registrant continues to meet certain criteria (sends notice of intent to renew, pays bill, etc.).</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="">So! a resource member representative should </div><div class="">read it at least once each year :-)</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Not sure I entirely agree with that… I think it is sufficient to read it if and when it is amended.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="">Now! i want to recall also section 6 of AfriNIC's </div><div class="">RSA [1,2]:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><paste2></div><div class=""><div class="">[...]</div><div class="">6. Acknowledgements </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The Applicant:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(a) Acknowledges that it has read, understood and taken cognizance of all its terms and conditions and further </div><div class="">binds itself to strictly and unreservedly comply therewith.</div><div class="">(b) Having taken cognizance of the preamble of the present agreement, fully and unreservedly subscribe thereto </div><div class="">with the clear understanding and acceptance of AFRINIC’s critical role in the stability and the continued </div><div class="">evolution of the Internet as agreed by its members and the community in terms of adopted policies.</div><div class="">(c) Acknowledges that it will at all times use the services and number resources allocated or assigned to it in </div><div class="">strict compliance with all adopted policies.</div><div class="">(d) Acknowledges:</div><div class="">(i) that this agreement shall at all times be subjected to adopted policies;</div><div class="">(ii) that this agreement shall at all times be subjected to such global policies, adopted and to be adopted </div><div class="">by all RIRs, which have first been approved by the AFRINIC Internet Community through its policy </div><div class="">development process;</div><div class="">(iii) that it is bestowed with an exclusive right of use of those number resources within the ambit of the </div><div class="">“need” which it has justified in its application and for no other purpose during the currency of the </div><div class="">present agreement;</div><div class="">(iv) the number resources, the subject matter of the present agreement, are not property (real, personal </div><div class="">or intellectual);</div><div class="">(v) that the transfer of number resources is strictly prohibited, except in the event of the Applicant </div><div class="">becoming the subject of merger and/or acquisition proceedings, or where such transfer is effected in </div><div class="">compliance with adopted policies;</div><div class="">(vi) that any request for transfer of number resources for the reason prescribed in sub clause (v) above </div><div class="">must be accompanied by all relevant certified legal documents;</div><div class="">(vii) that in the event that it commits a breach in the use of number resources allocated or assigned to it, </div><div class="">it shall:</div><div class="">(1) remedy the breach, following directions from AFRINIC, and/or</div><div class="">(2) return the affected number resources to AFRINIC.</div><div class="">For the removal of doubt, failure to take remedial action within a reasonable time will entitle AFRINIC </div><div class="">to terminate this agreement.</div><div class=""> 7. Representations and warranties </div><div class="">The parties, each, represent and warrant that: it has full power and authority to enter into the present agreement and </div><div class="">perform all the obligations listed down herein.</div><div class="">(a) It shall perform its obligations in compliance with all legal provisions (regulations, directives, legislation) </div><div class="">existing in the jurisdiction wherein it operates as well under the laws of the Republic of Mauritius which shall </div><div class="">govern this agreement.</div><div class="">(b) The present agreement constitutes a legal, valid and binding obligation on it and that same shall be enforced </div><div class="">in accordance with its terms and conditions.</div><div class="">[...]</div></div><div class=""></paste2></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">imho! maybe for the sake of clarification, </div><div class="">AfriNIC needs a policy to deal more precisely </div><div class="">with the "documentation & lifecycle of the </div><div class="">comited purpose of a resource member."</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...if anyone want to write a DPP (Draft Policy </div><div class="">Proposal) to fill that *need*; then feel free to</div><div class="">reach out ASAP.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I agree that AFRINIC has several areas where they are deficient in terms of the documentation requirements.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I’m more interested in getting the organization back on track in terms of following its own rules and having a board</div><div>that feels a need to conform to the law, be responsible and responsive to the membership, and follow the governing</div><div>documents as written than in worrying about these more trivial concerns.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Once we have a legitimate board at the helm of AFRINIC and replace senior management with leadership committed</div><div>to doing the job in an honest and forthright manner, these other issues will be much easier to manage.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Shalom,</div><div class="">--sb.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; 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