Dear PDWG,<div>Hope this email finds you in good health!</div><div><br></div><div>Please see my comments below, inline...<br><br>Le mardi 7 juin 2022, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>> a écrit :<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">IMHO, the term “a representative” could refer to either a natural person representing a corporation, or a group of natural persons as a representative body.<div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Hi Owen,</div><div>Thanks for your email, brother!</div><div>Please add the comparison effect, before jumping</div><div> to a conclusion :-)</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Given that in such ambiguities, it is generally taken to be the most liberal possible interpretation within reason, I would say the a group of natural persons as a representative body is valid in this context.</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Again! i couldn't agree more, due to the presence </div><div>of the other part of that very sentence; you seem </div><div>to neglect :-/</div><div> </div><div>...as the comparison is obvious, let me ask you to </div><div>answer, first, few simple questions:</div><div><br></div><div>Q1| How many proxies a resource member (RM) </div><div>can designate?</div><div><br></div><div>Q2| Is it possible that RM has *a* group of proxies?</div><div><br></div><div>Q3| if the answer of Q2| is yes, then; what is the </div><div>max number of proxies for such a group of?</div><div><br></div><div>Q4| i understand it's not sufficient to a resource </div><div>member to being represented by only one person, </div><div>then; which provision in both the AfriNIC's Bylaws </div><div>and/or the MU's Company Act (2001) allow it to </div><div>be more than only one's personal expectation?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Hope this clarifies something!</div><div><br></div><div>Shalom,</div><div>--sb.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jun 2, 2022, at 11:09 , Sylvain Baya <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" target="_blank">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>{remove <a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>}<div>Dear AfriNIC's Community, </div><div><br><div>Hope this email finds you in good health!</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks to find my comments below, inline...<br><br>Le jeudi 2 juin 2022, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><wbr>> a écrit :<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jun 1, 2022, at 12:25 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 1 Jun 2022, 22:51 Ish Sookun, <<a href="mailto:ish.sookun@lasentinelle.mu" target="_blank">ish.sookun@lasentinelle.mu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Hi Noah,
<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 1 Jun 2022, at 22:22, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Part of the above sentence reads ...</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">appoint "A" representative….</div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>I understand the “A” and the second word is “representative”. A representative can be a person or a group of persons.</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Hi Ish</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">English is not my lingo as Swahili was my first language and primary language but I tend to think that the meaning changes depending on how words are contracted together.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">1. A representative of....</div><div dir="auto">2. Representatives of....</div><div dir="auto">3. Representative</div><div dir="auto">4. Representatives...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Do all the above have the same meaning.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>It depends on the context, but certainly there is overlap of meaning amongst those terms.</div><div><br></div><div>[...]</div><div><br></div><div>In such a case of ambiguity, especially in a context where, as Andrew mentions, legal counsel being present to advise would be potentially important, “A representative” should be construed to include whatever “representative” the entity deems necessary to constitute “a representative”, even if that includes a team of people.</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Hi Owen,</div><div>Thanks for your email, brother.</div><div><br></div><div>...considering the very context, what's your </div><div>understanding of the content of "a" here, please.</div><div><br></div><div>Look! the sentence ends with a simple comparison;</div><div> isn't that the key for a common understanding of</div><div>the appropriate content of the word representative?</div><div><br></div><div>In other words: find the way *a* proxy is designated,</div><div>then you should be able to know more about the </div><div>first *a*...</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks once more!</div><div><br></div><div>Shalom, </div><div>--sb.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>It would be legitimate to insist that only one of those members of the “representative team” do the speaking and voting on behalf of the entire representative team, but limiting the online presence only to one representative per organization is unreasonable.</div><div><br></div><div>Further, there is very long and well established precedence against such a restriction. Any change of such magnitude should certainly come with sufficient notice for the change to be considered, deliberated, and either agreed or rejected by the membership.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div><br><p>[...]</p>
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