<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">The two of you are talking past each other about different things without achieving a meeting of the minds.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The board has the power to appoint committees and committee members.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The board has the power to appoint board members through the casual vacancy process UNTIL THE NEXT Member Meeting at which directors are elected. The recent board resolutions exceed this and have expanded the term of a board member in violation of the constitution (bylaws).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My understanding of AK’s posts is that he is referring to these appointments and the board’s failure to put up six seats for election this time as is required by the bylaws.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My understanding of your (Mirriam’s) posts is that you are talking about the appointment and ToR of various committees.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I will point out that for the governance committee to be able to properly do its job, it should be structured more like an independent judiciary than a traditional board committee since its job is an oversight function.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 1, 2022, at 05:37, Mirriam via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><div class="ydp35e7803dyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div class=""></div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Dear Abdulkarim</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have attempted twice in my responses to you to clearly and vividly point you to the relevant sections of the Bylaws which empowers the board to form committees and GovCom is one such committee.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="">I take it that you have deliberately ignored to read and understand my previous responses to you which contained all the relevant sections and provisions of the constitution. In fact look at the screen shot from my previous response to you which contains the exact section of the bylaws which empowers the board to appoint such committees.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Once you and me are on the same page on the facts about the bylaws giving the board powers to appoint various committees as per section 15 subsection 15.3.10(x) then, I will respond back to your further questions since the answers to your questions about appointment of directors and their tenures lies first in your understanding on how the GovCom as a committee came about and reason for this very thread which originally starts with GovCom Communique and recommendations to the board and not otherwise.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Mirriam.</div></div><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>
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On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 02:50:09 PM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" class="">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>> wrote:
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<div class=""><div id="yiv6122375814" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Dear Mirriam,</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""><div class="">I was expecting you to show me where in the bylaw that stated the committee and asked that the board should be the one appointing all the members. </div><div class="">Please show me and not reefers me to a board resolution. I said some of these board members are power hungry and you are referring me to the same resolution that showed some of the board members are power hungry.</div><div class=""> </div><div class=""> You have not answered my question. You simply went off point. I ask you again. Let me make it clear</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Do you think it is proper to the board to extend the seat of a seating board member and this same board member voted in the process.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Issue one: Board extending the seat of a board member</div><div class="">Issue two: same board member participating in the process. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">I prove my points to you gradually so that you be sure that I don't make false claims. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Please note that I have nothing personal against the board member whose seat was extended. In fact I have known him to be a perfect gentle man and someone reliable. I just think sometimes when people arround us start the typical African 3rd term agenda we just get cought up in the entire thing. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Just to clear things up. </div><div class="">Back to you. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">AK</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div></div><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><div id="yiv6122375814yqt22758" class="yiv6122375814yqt5197687080"><div class="yiv6122375814gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="yiv6122375814gmail_attr">On Sun, 1 May 2022, 12:10 Mirriam, <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com" class="">mirriamlauren@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class=""></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" class="yiv6122375814gmail_quote"><div class=""><div style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class=""><div class=""></div>
<div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> >>Dear Mirriam,</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><div class=""> >> The bylaw is clear and it never stated those committee. </div></div></div></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Dear Abdulkarim</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Thank you for your response. Now that I have determined that you do not know what the Bylaws state,</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Please go to the link <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws" class="">https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws</a> and read section 15 which contains a subsection 15.3.x statement below.</div></div><br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><object title="Inline image" alt="Inline image" style="max-width: 800px;" class="" data="cid:9403AE04-12C5-4ADC-AEA8-4FBFBCE13087" type="application/x-apple-msg-attachment" apple-inline="no" id="7D06C0B8-FA7C-4ABF-9A5B-0F065376ABE2"></object><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""> <div class=""><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">>> The board resolution did. What do you expect in the first place. </div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br clear="none" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" class=""></div></div><div dir="ltr" class="">The Bylaws came first and Yes the board resolutions are based on what the provisions of the Bylaws state. As you can see in the screenshot, the subsection 15.3.x which I highlighted yellow clearly reads that;</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><b class="">x. to appoint such committees for such reasons and with such terms of reference as they shall consider necessary or desirable.</b></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div></div><div dir="ltr" class="">Therefore, like I stated earlier, your claims are false. The constitution of AFRINIC clearly contains provisions that empowers the board of directors to appoint various committees. The community requested the board to create a GovCom in 2015. The board went ahead and listened to the community and did just that. The community requested for co-chairs to be recalled and asked the board to create a recall committee. The board listened and did exactly that. GovCom and RC and AC derived from the community and the board is empowered to appoint such committees thereafter. </div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">Your innuendo about the directors being Alphas and Omega is not backed by facts but rather sheer ignorance of the Bylaws. Please take your time to read them before you falsely accuse the board or any independent committee so appointed.</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">I wish everyone happy Eid and this will be my last response on this as facts and truth matters more than throwing words around for the sake of it.<div class=""><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div></div></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">Mirriam </div></div></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><span class=""></span><br clear="none" class=""></div>
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On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 01:29:33 PM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank" href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" class="">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>> wrote:
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<div class=""><div id="yiv6122375814m_-496861653131143535m_4043495552312788445yiv0966146426" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Dear Mirriam,</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""><div class=""> The bylaw is clear and it never stated those committee. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">The board resolution did. What do you expect in the first place. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">The board cannot be the Alpha and omega of the community. That is exactly my point. A Bottom- up process must be followed and not top- down. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">The Board cannot be the one to make theses rules. The board is simply extending the term of another board member and the same board member voted in the process. Who does this except the military rulers we have in Africa. And the followers simply approve it cos of .... and' positivity'. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""> Do you expect a different result? Keep up the positivity' and let me keep milking you.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Yours truly</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">AK ..<b class="">MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University of York, UK.) </b></div><div class=""><br clear="none" style="color:rgb(38,40,42);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class=""></div><br clear="none" class=""><div id="yiv6122375814m_-496861653131143535m_4043495552312788445yiv0966146426yqt46583" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">On Sun, 1 May 2022, 11:08 Mirriam, <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com" class="">mirriamlauren@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class=""></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class=""><div id="yiv6122375814m_-496861653131143535m_4043495552312788445yiv0966146426m_8971347799904718074ydpc549002ayiv6014024877" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class=""></div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="">Hello Abdulkarim,</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> >>If you think that it is right for the board members to be the ones to appoint fellow board >>members on a long term basis, appoint all members of the governance committee, all >>members of the appeal committee and all other committees and appoint the co-chair for the >>PDP by proxy then please come out clearly and say you think it is right. </span></span><br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Pardon me, but I am not sure if you are completely not aware or it's just sheer ignorance on your part because, The AFRINIC Constitution or Bylaws in Article 15 (power of directors) subsection 15.2 (10) clearly states as below;</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">15.2 above, the Directors shall be entitled to:</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">15.2(10) to appoint such committees for such reasons and with such terms of reference as they shall consider necessary or desirable.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Therefore, the committees your are referring too above (GovCom, Appeals Committee etc) exist by means of provisions of the Constitution of AFRINIC which the board is mandated to abide by and the board resolutions below.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Governance Committee <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://afrinic.net/board/meeting/2015#r254" class="">https://afrinic.net/board/meeting/2015#r254</a> </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Resolution 201511.254 reads; WHEREAS the community has asked the Board to create a Governance Committee;</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">The need for this Appeal Committee is specified in section 3.5 of the Consolidated Policy Manual and the relevant section states as below;</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">The AFRINIC CPM Section 3.5.3 has a statement that contains the sentence that reads; "The AFRINIC Board of Directors shall appoint a recall committee". Therefore in the event that a recall committee findings end up with the removal of Co-chairs, the powers to appointing the new co-chairs rests with the PDWG and the community and not the board. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Therefore, as for your point of Co-Chairs appointment by proxy, its completely wrong for you to make false statements like this because as I recall, the PDWG selected the current co-chairs last years and the entire discussion on how the selection was done is publicly archived on this mailing list. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">All your claims are false because they are not backed by facts. I have attempted to present to you real facts using the various sections of the Bylaws, Resolutions and PDP Manual on how the board is empowered by the book to appoint all this committees.</div></div><br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> >>My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the moment there is nothing like </span></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> >>the authentic AFRINIC community except a few individuals who are really honest. </span></span><br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" class="">The above proves my point of the cynicism that continues to create distrust in our community. With all the challenges that AFRINIC is facing today, AFRINIC and it's community needs Positivity not endless Negativity.</font></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></font></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></font></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Happy Eid al Fitr</span></span><br clear="none" class=""></font></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Mirriam.</span><br clear="none" class=""></div>
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On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 06:09:30 AM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank" href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" class="">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>> wrote:
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<div class=""><div id="yiv6122375814m_-496861653131143535m_4043495552312788445yiv0966146426m_8971347799904718074yiv6014024877" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Dear Mirriam,<div class="">Apologies for my 'relentless nonsense' and for telling me what is beneath me. I didn't know that having a PhD is so prestigious that so many things are now beneath me. I was thinking that I use the residual knowledge from my prestigious PhD to enlighten a few community members (i guess people like you) who might be thinking some of these men are fighting an African course or let me say for the good of the African community. Be clear, they are only fighting for their daily bread and the survival of their wife and Kids. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">If you think that it is right for the board members to be the ones to appoint fellow board members on a long term basis, appoint all members of the governance committee, all members of the appeal committee and all other committees and appoint the co-chair for the PDP by proxy then please come out clearly and say you think it is right. Let us have it on record. I have not seen a rationale for this top-down community but who knows.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the moment there is nothing like the authentic AFRINIC community except a few individuals who are really honest. God spearing our life, by whatever means, some of us would come together, we would make it a long term project to create a community that would be bottom-up but if in the process we also get power drunk (cos we are also human) no one should now blame anyone. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""> Please be clear, I am not a saint, I am not always right but like you mention I am 100%sure that my prestigious PhD is enough to give me my daily bread till I die, I do not intend to get my daily bread from AFRINIC under the guise of fighting the AFRICAN COURSE. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Yours truly</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">AK ..<b class="">MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University of York, UK.) </b></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""> </div><div class=""> </div></div><br clear="none" class=""><div id="yiv6122375814m_-496861653131143535m_4043495552312788445yiv0966146426m_8971347799904718074yiv6014024877yqt09067" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 10:13 PM Mirriam <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com" class="">mirriamlauren@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class=""></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class=""><div class="">Dear Abdulkarim</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">I am really disgusted by your relentless nonsense. We women who are on these lists are not encouraged to participate because of reading the petty emails that have been flying from you and others.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">It was a pleasure meeting you in Kampala and I still have your business card but this is beneath you. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Can you raise above your endless cynicism because it's not worth for a person with a PhD.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">I wish you all a Happy Eid al Fitr</div><div class="">Mirriam.</div><br clear="none" class=""><div id="yiv6122375814m_-496861653131143535m_4043495552312788445yiv0966146426m_8971347799904718074yiv6014024877gmail-m_-6117860923942684867ymail_android_signature" class=""><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" id="yiv6122375814m_-496861653131143535m_4043495552312788445yiv0966146426m_8971347799904718074yiv6014024877gmail-m_-6117860923942684867ymail_android_signature_link" target="_blank" href="https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature" class="">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></div> <br clear="none" class=""> <blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 20px;" class=""> <div style="font-family:Roboto, sans-serif;color:rgb(109,0,246);" class=""> <div class="">On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 2:41 AM, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE</div><div class=""><<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank" href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" class="">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>> wrote:</div> </div> <div style="padding:10px 0px 0px 20px;margin:10px 0px 0px;border-left:1px solid rgb(109,0,246);" class=""> _______________________________________________<br clear="none" class="">Community-Discuss mailing list<br clear="none" class=""><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" class="">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a><br clear="none" class=""><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss</a><br clear="none" class=""> </div> </blockquote></blockquote></div></div>
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