<div dir="auto">Dear Mirriam,<div dir="auto">Thanks once again.</div><div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto">Before you conclude that I am wrong. Please tell us how many members of Govcom are appointed by members and how many appointed by the community. Then also how many from both sides are voting members.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Then also how big ( in terms of numbers) is the community and the board and the percentage representation of each group. Then you tell me if this is suppose to be.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Does the community also appoint to NOMCOM?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">AK</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 2 May 2022, 08:16 Mirriam, <<a href="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com">mirriamlauren@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"></div>
<div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Dear Mirriam,</span></div><div><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><br></font><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">>> I have no problem with setting up a Governance Committee. </div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" dir="ltr">Good.</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" dir="ltr"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">>> The board can set it up by asking various sections of the community to nominate </div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">>> not for the board to be the one to screen and nominate. </div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" dir="ltr">Wrong.</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" dir="ltr"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" dir="ltr">Afrinic Resource Members vote and elect one of the two GovCom members each year through the NOMCOM process.</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" dir="ltr"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" dir="ltr">The Board only appoints one member of GovCom from the community through a public call for volunteers.</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" dir="ltr"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">>> Can you now go ahead and answer my question. </div></div><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif" dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">The answers to your questions are answered in relevant board resolutions and the rationale is published there. While we can all have opinions, I have no any negative perception towards the Board and Afrinic.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Mirriam.</div></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Dear Abdulkarim</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I have attempted twice in my responses to you to clearly and vividly point you to the relevant sections of the Bylaws which empowers the board to form committees and GovCom is one such committee.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">I take it that you have deliberately ignored to read and understand my previous responses to you which contained all the relevant sections and provisions of the constitution. In fact look at the screen shot from my previous response to you which contains the exact section of the bylaws which empowers the board to appoint such committees.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Once you and me are on the same page on the facts about the bylaws giving the board powers to appoint various committees as per section 15 subsection 15.3.10(x) then, I will respond back to your further questions since the answers to your questions about appointment of directors and their tenures lies first in your understanding on how the GovCom as a committee came about and reason for this very thread which originally starts with GovCom Communique and recommendations to the board and not otherwise.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Mirriam.</div></div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 02:50:09 PM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="m_-3042067767294817877yiv9644487467m_1035217316643660370yiv6122375814"><div><div><div>Dear Mirriam,</div><div><br clear="none"><div>I was expecting you to show me where in the bylaw that stated the committee and asked that the board should be the one appointing all the members. </div><div>Please show me and not reefers me to a board resolution. I said some of these board members are power hungry and you are referring me to the same resolution that showed some of the board members are power hungry.</div><div> </div><div> You have not answered my question. You simply went off point. I ask you again. Let me make it clear</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Do you think it is proper to the board to extend the seat of a seating board member and this same board member voted in the process.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Issue one: Board extending the seat of a board member</div><div>Issue two: same board member participating in the process. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I prove my points to you gradually so that you be sure that I don't make false claims. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Please note that I have nothing personal against the board member whose seat was extended. In fact I have known him to be a perfect gentle man and someone reliable. I just think sometimes when people arround us start the typical African 3rd term agenda we just get cought up in the entire thing. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Just to clear things up. </div><div>Back to you. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>AK</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div id="m_-3042067767294817877yiv9644487467m_1035217316643660370yiv6122375814yqt22758"><div><div dir="ltr">On Sun, 1 May 2022, 12:10 Mirriam, <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mirriamlauren@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> >>Dear Mirriam,</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br clear="none"><div> >> The bylaw is clear and it never stated those committee. </div></div></div></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Dear Abdulkarim</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Thank you for your response. Now that I have determined that you do not know what the Bylaws state,</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Please go to the link <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws</a> and read section 15 which contains a subsection 15.3.x statement below.</div></div><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><img title="Inline image" alt="Inline image" style="max-width:800px;width:100%"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"> <div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>>> The board resolution did. What do you expect in the first place. </div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"></div></div><div dir="ltr">The Bylaws came first and Yes the board resolutions are based on what the provisions of the Bylaws state. As you can see in the screenshot, the subsection 15.3.x which I highlighted yellow clearly reads that;</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><b>x. to appoint such committees for such reasons and with such terms of reference as they shall consider necessary or desirable.</b></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><div dir="ltr">Therefore, like I stated earlier, your claims are false. The constitution of AFRINIC clearly contains provisions that empowers the board of directors to appoint various committees. The community requested the board to create a GovCom in 2015. The board went ahead and listened to the community and did just that. The community requested for co-chairs to be recalled and asked the board to create a recall committee. The board listened and did exactly that. GovCom and RC and AC derived from the community and the board is empowered to appoint such committees thereafter. </div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Your innuendo about the directors being Alphas and Omega is not backed by facts but rather sheer ignorance of the Bylaws. Please take your time to read them before you falsely accuse the board or any independent committee so appointed.</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">I wish everyone happy Eid and this will be my last response on this as facts and truth matters more than throwing words around for the sake of it.<div><div><br clear="none"></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Mirriam </div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><span></span><br clear="none"></div>
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On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 01:29:33 PM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="m_-3042067767294817877yiv9644487467m_1035217316643660370yiv6122375814m_-496861653131143535m_4043495552312788445yiv0966146426"><div><div><div>Dear Mirriam,</div><div><br clear="none"><div> The bylaw is clear and it never stated those committee. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>The board resolution did. What do you expect in the first place. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>The board cannot be the Alpha and omega of the community. That is exactly my point. A Bottom- up process must be followed and not top- down. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>The Board cannot be the one to make theses rules. The board is simply extending the term of another board member and the same board member voted in the process. Who does this except the military rulers we have in Africa. And the followers simply approve it cos of .... and' positivity'. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div> Do you expect a different result? Keep up the positivity' and let me keep milking you.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Yours truly</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>AK ..<b>MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University of York, UK.) </b></div><div><br clear="none" style="color:rgb(38,40,42);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"></div><br clear="none"><div id="m_-3042067767294817877yiv9644487467m_1035217316643660370yiv6122375814m_-496861653131143535m_4043495552312788445yiv0966146426yqt46583"><div><div dir="ltr">On Sun, 1 May 2022, 11:08 Mirriam, <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mirriamlauren@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="m_-3042067767294817877yiv9644487467m_1035217316643660370yiv6122375814m_-496861653131143535m_4043495552312788445yiv0966146426m_8971347799904718074ydpc549002ayiv6014024877"><div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"></div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Hello Abdulkarim,</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span><span style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> >>If you think that it is right for the board members to be the ones to appoint fellow board >>members on a long term basis, appoint all members of the governance committee, all >>members of the appeal committee and all other committees and appoint the co-chair for the >>PDP by proxy then please come out clearly and say you think it is right. </span></span><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div><div>Pardon me, but I am not sure if you are completely not aware or it's just sheer ignorance on your part because, The AFRINIC Constitution or Bylaws in Article 15 (power of directors) subsection 15.2 (10) clearly states as below;</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>15.2 above, the Directors shall be entitled to:</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>15.2(10) to appoint such committees for such reasons and with such terms of reference as they shall consider necessary or desirable.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Therefore, the committees your are referring too above (GovCom, Appeals Committee etc) exist by means of provisions of the Constitution of AFRINIC which the board is mandated to abide by and the board resolutions below.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Governance Committee <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://afrinic.net/board/meeting/2015#r254" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/board/meeting/2015#r254</a> </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Resolution 201511.254 reads; WHEREAS the community has asked the Board to create a Governance Committee;</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>The need for this Appeal Committee is specified in section 3.5 of the Consolidated Policy Manual and the relevant section states as below;</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>The AFRINIC CPM Section 3.5.3 has a statement that contains the sentence that reads; "The AFRINIC Board of Directors shall appoint a recall committee". Therefore in the event that a recall committee findings end up with the removal of Co-chairs, the powers to appointing the new co-chairs rests with the PDWG and the community and not the board. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Therefore, as for your point of Co-Chairs appointment by proxy, its completely wrong for you to make false statements like this because as I recall, the PDWG selected the current co-chairs last years and the entire discussion on how the selection was done is publicly archived on this mailing list. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>All your claims are false because they are not backed by facts. I have attempted to present to you real facts using the various sections of the Bylaws, Resolutions and PDP Manual on how the board is empowered by the book to appoint all this committees.</div></div><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span><span style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> >>My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the moment there is nothing like </span></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span><span style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> >>the authentic AFRINIC community except a few individuals who are really honest. </span></span><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span><span style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br clear="none"></span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">The above proves my point of the cynicism that continues to create distrust in our community. With all the challenges that AFRINIC is facing today, AFRINIC and it's community needs Positivity not endless Negativity.</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><br clear="none"></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><br clear="none"></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span><span style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Happy Eid al Fitr</span></span><br clear="none"></font></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Mirriam.</span><br clear="none"></div>
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On Sunday, May 1, 2022, 06:09:30 AM GMT+3, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="m_-3042067767294817877yiv9644487467m_1035217316643660370yiv6122375814m_-496861653131143535m_4043495552312788445yiv0966146426m_8971347799904718074yiv6014024877"><div><div dir="ltr">Dear Mirriam,<div>Apologies for my 'relentless nonsense' and for telling me what is beneath me. I didn't know that having a PhD is so prestigious that so many things are now beneath me. I was thinking that I use the residual knowledge from my prestigious PhD to enlighten a few community members (i guess people like you) who might be thinking some of these men are fighting an African course or let me say for the good of the African community. Be clear, they are only fighting for their daily bread and the survival of their wife and Kids. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>If you think that it is right for the board members to be the ones to appoint fellow board members on a long term basis, appoint all members of the governance committee, all members of the appeal committee and all other committees and appoint the co-chair for the PDP by proxy then please come out clearly and say you think it is right. Let us have it on record. I have not seen a rationale for this top-down community but who knows.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>My mail is just to put things on the record because I know at the moment there is nothing like the authentic AFRINIC community except a few individuals who are really honest. God spearing our life, by whatever means, some of us would come together, we would make it a long term project to create a community that would be bottom-up but if in the process we also get power drunk (cos we are also human) no one should now blame anyone. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div> Please be clear, I am not a saint, I am not always right but like you mention I am 100%sure that my prestigious PhD is enough to give me my daily bread till I die, I do not intend to get my daily bread from AFRINIC under the guise of fighting the AFRICAN COURSE. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Yours truly</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>AK ..<b>MSc, PhD (Telecommunications/ Electronics Engineering, University of York, UK.) </b></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div> </div><div> </div></div><br clear="none"><div id="m_-3042067767294817877yiv9644487467m_1035217316643660370yiv6122375814m_-496861653131143535m_4043495552312788445yiv0966146426m_8971347799904718074yiv6014024877yqt09067"><div><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 10:13 PM Mirriam <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mirriamlauren@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Dear Abdulkarim</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I am really disgusted by your relentless nonsense. We women who are on these lists are not encouraged to participate because of reading the petty emails that have been flying from you and others.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>It was a pleasure meeting you in Kampala and I still have your business card but this is beneath you. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Can you raise above your endless cynicism because it's not worth for a person with a PhD.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I wish you all a Happy Eid al Fitr</div><div>Mirriam.</div><br clear="none"><div id="m_-3042067767294817877yiv9644487467m_1035217316643660370yiv6122375814m_-496861653131143535m_4043495552312788445yiv0966146426m_8971347799904718074yiv6014024877gmail-m_-6117860923942684867ymail_android_signature"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" id="m_-3042067767294817877yiv9644487467m_1035217316643660370yiv6122375814m_-496861653131143535m_4043495552312788445yiv0966146426m_8971347799904718074yiv6014024877gmail-m_-6117860923942684867ymail_android_signature_link" href="https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature" target="_blank">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></div> <br clear="none"> <blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 20px"> <div style="font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:rgb(109,0,246)"> <div>On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 2:41 AM, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE</div><div><<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>> wrote:</div> </div> <div style="padding:10px 0px 0px 20px;margin:10px 0px 0px;border-left:1px solid rgb(109,0,246)"> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">Community-Discuss mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss</a><br clear="none"> </div> </blockquote></blockquote></div></div>
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