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My question is - what business is it of yours what their motives are. Any company or any institution is free to offer promotional services as they see fit.</div>
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If you have proof that they are not giving what they claim - that would constitute offering something not provided. Until then - you can whine all you like - but - if they wish to give away services - that is their commercial right to do so.</div>
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Furthermore - if indeed their application stated that the ip space would be used to provide vps / vpn / cloud-based services - then what they charge for such is is absolutely no consequence or business of yours.</div>
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Maybe instead of attacking other people's business offers and services you should find a way to compete if you choose to do so - otherwise it just looks like a case of a disgruntled person who can't compete.</div>
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At best you get to allege spam - if you prove this is spam and doesn't not have the requisite "unsubscribe me and don't send me this stuff again" options. But - it certainly is not coercion - I suggest you look up the meaning of that word - </div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 9, 2021 9:36:31 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Saul Stein <saul@enetworks.co.za><br>
<b>Cc:</b> General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] The NRS at it again with endless lobbying</font>
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<div dir="auto">Hi Saul,
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<div dir="auto">Thanks for your email and noted as sometimes I get carried away when I read some of these dishonest emails from Larus affiliates.</div>
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<div dir="auto">So, while going through <a href="https://nsr.help">
https://nsr.help</a> website on the landing page, there is information related to freebies where;</div>
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<div dir="auto">The NRS are promising a free /24 courtesy of Larus Limited.<br>
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Limited, an NRS honorable contributor, has donated /24 IP addresses for better Internet development. NRS provides an exclusive benefit of /24 IP addresses to our network members as a means of improving Internet stability and growth. Currently, the market value
of these /24 IP addresses is 1500 USD, but by joining NRS as a network member, <span style="margin:0px; padding:0px; border:0px; outline:0px; vertical-align:baseline; background-image:initial; background-position:initial; background-size:initial; background-repeat:initial; background-origin:initial; background-clip:initial; font-weight:bold">you
will get these addresses for free.</span></span></span></span></p>
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click this link and get your free /24 IP addresses</span></span></span></span></p>
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<div dir="auto">And a free one month VPS courtesy of AFRICA ON CLOUD. The same AFRICA ON CLOUD that seeks to liquidate AFRINIC.....</div>
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<div dir="auto">VPS AFRICA ON CLOUD</div>
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<div dir="auto">One Month Free VPS Africa on Cloud, in partnership with NRS, will be offering a discount code for one month free VPS for NRS network members. With this VPS offering, your company will be able to host domains and servers. Sign up now and experience
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<div dir="auto">SO one wonders what the motive for this free services are in light of all the ongoing litigation.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Are other resource members falling for the trap which I suspect Larus Limited is trying to justify a customer base in the region because why else would Lu want to provide anyone with a free /24?</div>
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<div dir="auto">For what purpose?</div>
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<div dir="auto">I agree that ISOC does a better job on promoting internet freedom and that ISOC is widely recognised and respected so to speak compared to Lu's NRS.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Thu, 9 Dec 2021, 08:59 Saul Stein, <<a href="mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">saul@enetworks.co.za</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span>Hi Noah, <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span>While sharing emails like this is interesting, I’d suggest leaving the emotion and profanity out of the email. It will add to your credibility and stop people just saying, there he goes on a rant…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span>The reality as we all know is that anyone in Africa can become a member of AFRINIC and micro membership fess are only $1000 – can you can get a /23, not just a /24.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span>Since the internet is already a global eco system where everyone needs to work together, there are already organisations like ISOC etc to who do promote this freedom they speak of. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span>Education is key, we all know this.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 08 December 2021 22:28<br>
<b>To:</b> General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Community-Discuss] The NRS at it again with endless lobbying<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Folks,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Are most of you still being coerced by the Lu Heng's wannabe RIR the NRS to join them.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">I mean, reading the bullshit in the below email from one of the NRS representatives, a one Fiona Mwangi, clearly shows that Lu Heng is stopping at nothing to pretend and fake it that he has legitimate customers in the region by dashing
out free /24's and some 1 month free VPS access and free Cloud services.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Is this how Lu Heng intends to justify that CIL has real end-users in the AFRINIC service region because that would be broad day light deceit and dishonesty.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Who the heck provides free /24 IPv4 block, free VPS and free Cloud Services.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Talk of bullshit and hamburg.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Fiona Nyawira Mwangi <<a href="mailto:f.mwangi@nrs.help" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">f.mwangi@nrs.help</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Become members of Number Resource Society<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:black">Dear Sir,</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:black">I am Fiona from the Number Resources Society (NRS). The NRS is a gathering of members who have the goal of preserving
the stability of the internet. IP addresses are one of the most important resources for Internet related businesses.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:black">The NRS’s core beliefs and values are an unlimited, unrestricted, and united Internet that is based on a global free market
and enterprise based on the principles of transparency and accountability. The establishment of the Society is an advocacy of the Internet’s stability, which can only be achieved by individuals, private companies, and ISPs having freedom in managing their
networks and recognizing the Internet as one universal resource comprised of many individual networks each operated by and according to the wishes of its own management.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:black">With this, we are inviting your company to become part of the NRS and join us in this noble cause of protecting the internet.
Through your participation, we are one step closer to achieving our goal of improving the status quo of the Internet.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:black">Your membership to the NRS will entitle you to our membership benefits, provided by NRS contributors:</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:black">- /24 IPv4 address lease for your organization with lease fee waived provided by one of our NRS contributor (terms and
conditions apply, including all RIR policy requirements and provider's accept use policy). Currently, /24 IP addresses are pegged at a price of USD$2,500 annually.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:black">-Free cloud space for your organization through another of our NRS contributors.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:black">I am hoping for your positive response regarding this proposal.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:black">Fiona Mwangi.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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