<div dir="auto">It would help if you know what "ad homimen" meant.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">An arguendo ad hominem is a logical fallacy in which an appeal to the attributes of the person is made. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Presumably you are cop-ping to having been the chair whose departure enabled a surplus. Does that mean you are alleging that after you left the Board cut a dirty deal to improve the organizations finances? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Andrew could have called you a total moron and it wouldn't be an ad hominem. It would be a personal attack and contrary to the community standards for which Andrew would be censured in some shape or form but it would not be an ad hominem. Also because the censure would follow wholly from the personal attack aspect and be wholly disconnected from the crux of the argument it wouldn't matter if it was entirely true or not. </div><div dir="auto">What Andrew could not do without being guilty of an ad hominem is to say that you'd only make the argument which you do because of your political affiliations. </div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 30 Nov 2021, 09:35 Badru Ntege, <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"">😊</span><span lang="EN-US"> need to invoke that big word “</span><span style="color:black">ad hominem</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 30 November 2021 at 10:27<br>
<b>To: </b>Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>>, Paul Hjul <<a href="mailto:hjul.paul@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">hjul.paul@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>, AfriNIC Discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Badru,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Can I suggest you go back and take a class in maths 101.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Said member pays an annual fee of $38,400 a year – and some how – in your mind the million dollar a year surplus is derived from a $38,400 a year additional revenue? Wow – I want to live in your world where I get $38,400
and end up with a million dollars.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Reality is – most of the surplus came when the chair of the board and the former ceo were changed – unfortunately without a forensic audit to see what was happening while they were there – its hard to point directly at
where the losses were coming from<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Andrew<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 30, 2021 10:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Hjul <<a href="mailto:hjul.paul@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">hjul.paul@gmail.com</a>>; Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>; AfriNIC Discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Afrinic Court Updates<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">We must all note that the financial surplus being boasted on here was a result of allowing a non region entity to get allocated more resources than most African countries have.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">This was done as many members questioned what was going on and the current crisis and court cases could be very easily linked to those decisions. I’m not insinuating but
pondering. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">So it’s best we focus on how we fix the current reality and not dig up the past. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">We have bylaws we need to follow them. If they are missing I repeat we need to use our PDP to fix. We follow the bylaws without calls for dispute resolution. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">There’s no dispute but simply a few who believe throwing money arround fixes everything. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Everyone in the AfriNIC region has a right to the resources rich or poor. It’s never been about the corporates but the individual. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Let me get off my soap box :-) for now. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> Paul Hjul <<a href="mailto:hjul.paul@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">hjul.paul@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 30, 2021 10:04:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>; Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>>; AfriNIC Discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">What is all the graver a problem is that the archive is replete with Noah embarking on ad hominem, spurious, xenophobic, tribalist and toxic distractions. Yet time and time again there is a failure to enforce any community
standards. In fact you or I are more likely to get red carded for hurting the feelings of dishonest malcontents.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Just to pick up on something interesting here. There was a time when AfriNICs biggest internal threat was financial mismanagement. Once that boat was fixed the path to sustained surpluses was setup it was important to
then make sure that the organization stuck with good practices and that it didn't become a surplus hording monster. Today the biggest internal threat to the organization is a de facto board strategy of riding roughshod over resource members commercial rights
with an apparent goal of reclaiming for AfriNIC a cache of IPv4 address blocks - for which there is no cogent policy for distribution (the soft landing policy presumes a shortage which the reclaiming repudiate). If I recall from the archives correctly there
was a lot of resistance to fixing the ship. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I haven't quite been able to pick up to what extent the numnuts who caused an earlier financial crisis are now in the wings hoping to be beneficiaries of financial largesse which they hope can be attained through the
organization discriminating against members. If it is the case that they are the same people then I am afraid AfriNICs surface problems will shift and manifest into different symptoms all covering up the real problem. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Tue, 30 Nov 2021, 08:37 Andrew Alston, <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">100% I am the same man – and for that I make NO apologies.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">AfriNIC is a monopoly because of its lack of transfer policy – something that I have pushed for years – including while I was on the board to rectify this situation.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">I stand by when I ran for the board – and I did it – because at that point – AfriNIC was closing in on bankruptcy – go and look at the financials – zero reserve – clocking 10s of thousands of dollars a year in losses.
When I left the board – we’d turned over a million-dollar surplus and were well on the way to getting financial stability (though unfortunately even that now is in a situation where the organization contains to make vast amounts of money far beyond what it
was meant to)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Is AfriNIC a monopoly? 100% it is – does that need to be fixed – 100% does it does – does it have anything to do with me being on the board? Hell no it doesn’t – and quite frankly Noah, your distraction and obfuscation
and ad-hominem attacks to distract from the fallacy of your own arguments is nothing short of eye wateringly amusing and shows just how low you have sunk – when your arguments fail – throw stinky brown stuff into the fan and hope some of the resulting mess
sticks.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Grow up<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Andrew<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 29, 2021 6:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>>; Paul Hjul <<a href="mailto:hjul.paul@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">hjul.paul@gmail.com</a>>; AfriNIC Discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Afrinic Court Updates<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Are you the same individual who asked the membership years ago to vote for you, so that you can serve as a board director of AFRINIC? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">The same AFRINIC you refer to as a monopoly? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Mon, 29 Nov 2021, 10:26 Andrew Alston via Members-Discuss, <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Telecom regulatory authorities are state – therefore exempt from monopolies acts and anti-trust action under the law.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">ICANN – well actually not exactly – because the RIR’s have the choice to use someone else if they wish to since the transition if my understanding is correct (someone can correct me if I am wrong)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">RIR’s are defacto monopolies in the absence of transfer policies – once they have transfer policies – they are no longer monopolies since anyone can transfer anywhere.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Andrew<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 29, 2021 10:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>; Paul Hjul <<a href="mailto:hjul.paul@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">hjul.paul@gmail.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Afrinic Court Updates<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">I’m hearing interesting messages from people who fought ITU (government) entering the business of the internet so vehemently only a few years ago.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Every Telecom regulatory Authority is a national monopoly because that’s how we get the universal service and ensure equitable service delivery in our individual countries. ICANN one would say is a defacto Monopoly.
RIR’s are defacto Monopolies …….and the argument can continue.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Badru<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, 29 November 2021 at 09:34<br>
<b>To: </b>Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>>, Paul Hjul <<a href="mailto:hjul.paul@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">hjul.paul@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>"
<<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">We also have a situation where AfriNIC is a defacto monopoly – very likely in contravention of anti-trust statutes – the very fastest way to get that tested – is the day that a monopoly denies service to an African entity
because it chose to go to court to have its issues addressed.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Then again – maybe forcing the hand and forcing the anti-trust issue so that its settled may not be such a bad idea – it may resolve several things.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Andrew<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 28, 2021 8:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Hjul <<a href="mailto:hjul.paul@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">hjul.paul@gmail.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Afrinic Court Updates<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:hjul.paul@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="text-decoration:none">@Paul Hjul</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">You have every right to your opinion on the way forward and so do I.
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">For your information I have been a member of AfriNIC from its inception and still are today.
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">But let me remind you that not being a resource member does not limit me from having an opinion. I speak as a member of the community who also happens to be a resource member.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">let’s do a hypothetical here. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Would you opt to go into dispute resolution if you caught a thief red-handed in your house ??. I know or hope you would not take the law in your hands but you would let the existing law take its due course.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">The proposition here is very simple. AfriNIC the organization has its rules pertaining to who can and cannot be a member. It also has rules on how one continues to be a member.
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">All we are asking is that the Board and Legal teams investigate whether our internal laws have been broken and if they have been broken to follow what rules of behavior we all signed up to and the consequences therein.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">What I hear from you and I might be wrong here is that even though our rules might have been broken, we should not follow the rules but we should go into dispute resolution with a perpetrator who has shown very clearly
more than once that the survival of AfriNIC is not in their interest. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">And what I hear from others is that following the set rule would set a precedence for this rule to be used again in future. ?????? But if I’m not wrong that’s what rules and code’s of conduct are made.
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">We need to be objective here. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Lets allow other differing opinions to guide us<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">But we also have a process of changing rules that we think do not help the organization and if you feel the rule Noah refers to does not help the organization it can be changed. But also members who feel the current
rule is not clear enough also have a right to propose a tougher rule after the experience we have gone through this year.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Paul Hjul <<a href="mailto:hjul.paul@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">hjul.paul@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 12:30<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[members-discuss] Afrinic Court Updates</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">>>Thanks Noah<br>
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>>Seems like the pandemic has also affected common sense.<br>
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>>We just need to remove the bad players in our membership and continue our journey of connecting Africa to the internet who are physically ?On Ground? and not ?ON Cloud?.<br>
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>>These bylaw games and company Act threats have been overplayed for far too long.<br>
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>>We as members and the community at large need to move beyond this with intention.<br>
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>> I still support our legal teams and Board to explore what options we have of removing destructive members. And if we do not have its about time that we made proposals to ensure the future protection of AfriNIC.<br>
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>> Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Turns out I was wrong and that there are resource members who are going to support the destruction of Afrinic. I still don't think that there are any South African members who are so inclined.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">If you could please let us know which resource member you are speaking for - this mail makes it clear that you want to speak as a member and your domain doesn't indicate which member that is.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">It is quite important that those resource members who are causing the problems by advocating that the organization remove members on a wrongful basis be identifiable. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Or are you now going to claim to be speaking entirely in your personal capacity in which case it really should be put out to the community<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">For what it is worth as the member Crystal Web we are in full support of the organization opposing (resisting is the wrong word) an action for the winding up of the organization on the basis that such a winding up is
not in the interests of the members and would result in disruption to the global Internet. As Crystal Web we are in full support of the organization entering into credible dispute resolution processes with any person (whether a member or not) who has brought
proceedings as against the organization before any court of law and to make a determination as to the basis upon which to settle any such action in accordance with sound legal and commercial principles and not in accordance with ideological or emotional preferences
of whoever happens to be on the Board at the time. When suits that are vexatious or unmeritous are brought, we have full confidence that due and proper legal processes will address the matter and insist that the organization at all times act expeditiously
in litigation to bring about just outcomes. As Crystal Web we are opposed to the organization engaging in tactics in litigation that serves to stall or embark on costly gamemanship in distraction of a just and proper resolution of the true underlying dispute.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">As Crystal Web we wish for the organization to adhere to its own by-laws except where it is credibly established on independent advice of counsel (having a right of audience before the Supreme Court of Mauritiu), which
advise needs to be circulated with members that the by-law is in conflict with the laws of Mauritius. As Crystal Web we insist that the organization show proper respect and regard for the Supreme Court of Mauritius and that it avoid acting in a manner that
could even be reasonably perceived as demonstrating contumen towards the courts. We insist that the laws of Mauritius and the principles of natural justice permeate all activity of the organization. As Crystal Web we insist that the organization treat its
members fairly and in a spirit of cooperation, we are therefore gravely opposed to the attitude shown by in-house counsel for Afrinic in inviting litigation before exhausting reasonable engagements that do not put the organization at peril.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">As Crystal Web we wish that the organization would focus its efforts on holding accountable those persons found credibly to have engaged in fraudulent activity. We are opposed to the conflating legitimate commercial
activity which may be disliked by certain factions with criminal activity and find it wholly unacceptable for the organization to make such conflation in a manner that exposes the organization to risk.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_7880640743351563342xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Speaking as myself, if the organization sticks to these principles and rather considers dealing with those members and individuals in the community who represent the true threat to the organization - namely those who
wish to steer the organization into a path of lawlessness - in an appropriate manner things will quickly come right.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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