<div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Hi Ronald,</div><div dir="auto">Recent discussions(*) enlighten somehow the contexts in which Cloud Innovation allocations were made.</div><div dir="auto">Let not narrow down things and not create unnecessary tension. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Unless evidence exists to prove collisions or conflict of interest, I see nothing wrong with CEO having meeting with people.</div><div dir="auto">Lu probably met all AFRINICs CEOs, but also met other people including even those who disagree with him as well as with Cloud Innovation and Larus activities </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">While 1st allocation is important, subsequent allocations require justifications, but also proof of usage (80-90 %) of previous allocations according to justifications and in compliance with policies and RSA..</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The process initiated by AFRINIC and the ongoing cases will also show deficiencies and complicities if they do exist…</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">--</div><div>Arnaud<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">(*) </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2021-August/004628.html" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2021-August/004628.html</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2021-August/004692.html" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2021-August/004692.html</a></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le ven. 1 oct. 2021 à 21:24, Ronald F. Guilmette <<a href="mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com">rfg@tristatelogic.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><a href="https://twitter.com/fbajak/status/1443927102793920515?s=21" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/fbajak/status/1443927102793920515?s=21</a><br>
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As you can see, the Associated Press has just published something relating<br>
to the ongoing saga of AFRINIC, its trials and tribulations.<br>
<br>
I have a few brief comments on this.<br>
<br>
Firstly, I find it really rather interesting that Adiel Akplogan met<br>
(privately?) with Lu Hung, apparently at the ICANN meeting in Beijing,<br>
7-11 April, 2013, just shortly before Lu Heng received his first big<br>
allocation of IP space.<br>
<br>
This, combined with the fact that the then current AFRINIC CEO, Adiel<br>
Akplogan, was at the time operating his own private company in Canada,<br>
whose actual business endeavors have never been very well explained,<br>
is, at the very least, suggestive that more questions should be asked<br>
about Lu Heng's original justification(s) for the large amount of IPv4<br>
space he got.<br>
<br>
I have asked here to see those original Cloud Innovation justification<br>
documents and that request has been met only with stony silence in reply.<br>
<br>
One thing is clear however, from both AP's reporting and from my own<br>
research -- Lu Heng has repeatedly claimed that he was awarded his<br>
various large IPv4 block initially based on his purported need to<br>
support vast numbers of VPN end users in China. From the AP article:<br>
<br>
Emails obtained by the AP show that in his initial request for IP<br>
addresses in 2013, Lu made clear to AFRINIC that his customers would<br>
be in China. In those emails, Lu said he needed the addresses for<br>
virtual private networks -- known as VPNs -- to circumvent the Chinese<br>
government's firewall that blocks popular websites like Facebook and<br>
YouTube there.<br>
<br>
He said he discussed this with Adiel Akplogan, AFRINIC's first CEO,<br>
in Beijing in a 2013 meeting cited in the emails. <br>
<br>
These facts are absolutely astonishing and I urge everyone to take special<br>
note of them. The five Regional Internet Registries are generally assumed<br>
to be mostly or entirely apolitical bodies, but here we have a documented<br>
case in which one of the five, AFRINIC, is alleged to have deliberately<br>
and with clear intent facilitated the large scale circumvention of one<br>
country's local Internet regulations. And not just any country, but<br>
China, the newest superpower in what is now our tri-polar world.<br>
<br>
If I were some high official of the Chinese Communist Party, I would at<br>
this moment be dashing off an angry and pointed diplomatic communiqué <br>
demanding an explanation, and an apology, from AFRINIC leadership. It<br>
is one thing to be "just a bookkeeper", as Lu Hung insists the RIRs<br>
should be, and quite another to be an active and knowing participant in<br>
a deliberate scheme to undermine and circumvent some country's national<br>
Internet regulation efforts. The fact that this was done, allegedly, for<br>
the good cause of anti-censorship does not change the fact that AFRINIC<br>
apparently involved itself in a bit of surreptitious and clandestine<br>
international intrigue whose clear and stated goal was to engineer a<br>
large scale end-run around China's Great Firewall.<br>
<br>
As an American, I am rabidly supportive of the free flow of information,<br>
including into and out of China. But I am not persuaded that AFRINIC, as<br>
an international Internet administrative body, should ever have involved<br>
itself in such a politically fraught back-room scheme. The fact that it<br>
appears to have done so is not likely to enhance its image on the world<br>
stage, nor that of any of the other RIRs, whose international reputations<br>
may also be damaged by these revelations.<br>
<br>
That having been said, I do suspect that Chinese Communist Party was not<br>
and is not totally unaware of what Lu Heng has been up to from 2013 onwards.<br>
Why haven't they arrested him for his gross attempts to circumvent the<br>
Party's singular control of the Chinese Internet? I could speculate, but<br>
I prefer to just leave the question open, and let everyone with an interest<br>
in these matters reach their own conclusions, as I have.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
rfg<br>
<br>
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