{remove arin-discuss, as it has been closed}<div>{apologies for ×-posting}</div><div>Dear all,</div><div><br></div><div>Please see my comments below, inline...</div><div><br>Le vendredi 6 août 2021, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> a écrit :<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Shalom Sylvain,</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Shalom Noah,</div><div>Thanks for your email, brother.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 2:13 PM Sylvain Baya <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" target="_blank">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>{apologies for crossposting}</div><div dir="auto">Dear RIPE-Lister,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Hope you are well.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Please see my comments below, inline...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mar. 3 août 2021 à 10:07 AM, Daniel Karrenberg <<a href="mailto:dfk@ripe.net" target="_blank">dfk@ripe.net</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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On 2 Aug 2021, at 20:45, Randy Bush wrote:<br>
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> ignore the lies and escalation. it is just designed to<br>
> create doubt and confusion.<br></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Time and space has a way of revealing the truth. </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Could not agree more. </blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Hi Daniel,</div><div dir="auto">Thanks for your email, brother.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">...this is an *INRs War*. it's no more only </div><div dir="auto">about few/full lies.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It seems as AfriNIC is just the first step...</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No kidding, inlight of the so-called Number Resources Alliance which I 100% is backed by IPv$ brokers for Larus at the front line.</div><div> </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Of course! </div><div>...i may be naive! but what i read seems to be </div><div>clear for me. Hope to have more reaction from </div><div>the entire Internet Numbers Registry Community.</div><div><br></div><div>This [1]article seems to share evidence that AfriNIC</div><div> is not the first target, by that kind of behaviours.</div><div>__</div><div>[1]: Concerns Grow As AFRINIC’s Funds Are Frozen Over IPv4 Dispute, <font color="#3b545d" face="Ek Mukta, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:16px">by Doug Madory, Director of Internet Analysis, AUGUST 06, 2021</span></font></div><div><<a href="https://www.kentik.com/blog/concerns-grow-as-afrinics-funds-are-frozen-over-ipv4-dispute/" target="_blank">https://www.kentik.com/blog/c<wbr>oncerns-grow-as-afrinics-funds<wbr>-are-frozen-over-ipv4-dispute/</a><wbr>></div><div><br></div><div>~°~</div><div>[...]</div><div><p color="body" style="margin:0px 0px 16px;color:rgb(59,84,93);font-size:18px;line-height:1.6;font-family:"Ek Mukta",sans-serif">In 2019, the Department of Justice <a href="https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/pr/charleston-man-and-business-indicted-federal-court-over-9m-fraud" style="color:rgb(243,112,33)" target="_blank">indicted</a> a man in South Carolina for fraudulently obtaining over 700,000 IPv4 addresses from North American registry ARIN estimated to be worth between “$9,850,880 and $14,397,440.”</p><p color="body" style="margin:0px 0px 16px;color:rgb(59,84,93);font-size:18px;line-height:1.6;font-family:"Ek Mukta",sans-serif">In a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYLEWCCjpao&t=235s" style="color:rgb(243,112,33)" target="_blank">Lightning Talk</a> at LACNIC in 2018, <a href="https://twitter.com/etiennesharp" style="color:rgb(243,112,33)" target="_blank">Etienne Sharp</a> blamed “ghost companies” for spiriting into Latin America, setting up virtual offices to obtain precious IPv4 address space at little cost, and then proceeding to use the address space outside the LACNIC region. Russian security company DDoS-Guard (aka Dancom) was <a href="https://twitter.com/DougMadory/status/1351686933248933894" style="color:rgb(243,112,33)" target="_blank">one of those ghost companies</a> in Etienne’s presentation, and earlier this year, <a href="https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/01/ddos-guard-to-forfeit-internet-space-occupied-by-parler/" style="color:rgb(243,112,33)" target="_blank">LACNIC revoked its right</a> to use the address space it obtained from Belize.</p></div><div>[...]</div><div>~°~</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">This guy quotes his very own comment on Rob <br>
Blokzijl’s obituary and puts his own words in the mouth of Rob who <br>
cannot do anything about it anymore. He even puts this ‘quote’ in <br>
the charter of his new anti-RIR club. Distasteful. A disgrace.<br> <br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">...from the home page of the NRA:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">~°~</div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">NUMBER</div><div dir="auto">RESOURCES</div><div dir="auto">SOCIETY</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">"RIR is just a bookkeeper"</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What they don't know is that an RIR like AFRINIC does more than just the registry services even though Lu Heng our of ignorance mistakenly thinks the RIR is a bookkeeper like wannabe mini-RIR Larus. </div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>...kind of! but a top-down one, calling to build an </div><div>anonymous community; which would let them </div><div>take all *good* decisions on their behalf.</div><div><br></div><div>Could they follow the global policies [2] :'-(</div><div>__</div><div>[2]: <<a href="https://nro.net/policy/global" target="_blank">https://nro.net/policy/global</a><wbr>></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>1. AFRINIC for instance is involved with a number of other activities</div><div><ul><li> Internet Number Resources Management</li><li> Resource Certification Program (RPKI)</li></ul></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><<a href="https://rpki.afrinic.net/">https://rpki.afrinic.net/</a>></div><div><<a href="https://validator.afrinic.net/">https://validator.afrinic.net/</a>><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><ul><li> Internet Routing Registry (IRR)</li><li> DNSSEC Program</li><li> WHOIS Services</li></ul></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>& good statistics: <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:large"><<a href="https://stats.afrinic.net">https://stats.afrinic.net</a>></span></div><div><br></div><div>...such as:</div><div><br></div><div><<a href="https://stats.afrinic.net/closures/">https://stats.afrinic.net/closures/</a>></div><div><<a href="https://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/stats/afrinic/transfers/">https://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/stats/afrinic/transfers/</a>></div><div><<a href="https://stats.afrinic.net/dnssec/">https://stats.afrinic.net/dnssec/</a>></div><div><<a href="https://stats.afrinic.net/irr/">https://stats.afrinic.net/irr/</a>><br></div><div>...</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><ul><li> Training Services in Collaboration with NOG's</li></ul></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>• *HelpDesk* [3] to freely support Deployment Operationalization (DO) within the AfriNIC service region.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><ul><li> Online Services</li><li> DNS Support Program</li><li> Root Server Copy Programme</li><li> Services like <a href="http://my.afrinic.net" target="_blank">my.afrinic.net</a></li></ul></div><div>2. AFRINIC carries out Research for the benefit of wide membership like:</div><div><ul><li>Internet Technical Infrastructure</li><li>Internet Access</li><li>Internet Policy and Governance</li><li>Internet Resilience</li><li>Internet Standards and Protocols</li><li>Internet Measurement </li></ul></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>...as results of their efforts: </div><div><br></div><div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:large"><<a href="https://afrinic.net/research/">https://afrinic.net/research/</a>></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:large"><<a href="https://afrinic.net/research/studies/mira#about">https://afrinic.net/research/studies/mira#about</a>></div></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:large"><<a href="https://github.com/mira-project/mira/wiki/About-MIRA">https://github.com/mira-project/mira/wiki/About-MIRA</a>></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:large"><<a href="https://airrs.afrinic.net">https://airrs.afrinic.net</a>></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:large"><<a href="https://afrinic.net/research/publications">https://afrinic.net/research/publications</a>></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:large">...</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><ul></ul><div>3. AFRINIC providers Fund for Internet Research and Education and other Internet initiatives across AFRICA.</div></div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><<a href="https://fireafrica.org">https://fireafrica.org</a>></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>4. AFRINIC supports Internet Exchange Points across AFRICA</div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>...including through CPM section 5.6.4 [4]:</div><div><br></div><div>~°~</div><div>[...]</div><div><p style="margin:0px 0px 5px;font-size:13px;color:rgb(117,117,117);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif"><span style="font-weight:700">5.6.4 PI Assignments to critical Infrastructure</span></p><p style="margin:0px 0px 5px;font-size:13px;color:rgb(117,117,117);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif"><span style="font-weight:700">5.6.4.1 AFRINIC will make End-User assignment to critical infrastructure providers of the Internet such as public internet exchange points and core DNS service providers.</span></p></div><div>[...]</div><div>~°~</div><div><br></div><div>...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><b>Does LARUS Limited and its Larus Foundation have such capabilities? or any IPv$ broker out there.?</b></div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>...if you asked me! i would have pointed you to a </div><div>definition of a *network* [5], in Internet routing [6] </div><div>& LIR contexts...</div><div>__</div><div>[3]: Helpdesk - <a href="http://bit.ly/6deployEN" target="_blank">bit.ly/6deployEN</a> or <a href="http://bit.ly/6deployFR" target="_blank">bit.ly/<wbr>6deployFR</a></div><div>[4]: <<a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/manual#IPv4-En-User-PI-Assignments" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/policy/ma<wbr>nual#IPv4-En-User-PI-Assignmen<wbr>ts</a>></div><div>[5]: <<a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/network#:~:text=3,communicate%20with%20each%20other" target="_blank">https://www.merriam-webster.c<wbr>om/dictionary/network#:~:text=<wbr>3,communicate%20with%20each%20<wbr>other</a>></div><div>"</div><div>3a: [...]</div><p dir="ltr">
b: a system of computers and peripherals that are able to communicate with each other<br>
"<br></p><div>[6]: A-Z Glossary – APNIC</div><div><<a href="https://www.apnic.net/about-apnic/a-z-glossary/" target="_blank">https://www.apnic.net/about-<wbr>apnic/a-z-glossary/</a>></div><div><br></div><div>~°~</div><div>Network</div><div>An international network providing public correspondence services (when used in the formal sense as defined in Section 4.17 of ITU-T Rec. E.164 (05/97)).</div><div>~°~</div><div><br></div><div>EN - <<a href="https://www.itu.int/rec/dologin_pub.asp?lang=f&id=T-REC-E.164-201011-I!!PDF-E&type=items" target="_blank">https://www.itu.int/rec/<wbr>dologin_pub.asp?lang=f&id=T-<wbr>REC-E.164-201011-I!!PDF-E&<wbr>type=items</a>></div><div><br></div><div>~°~</div><div>4.13 Network</div><div>Internationally interconnected physical nodes </div><div>and operational systems operated and maintained</div><div> by one or more ROAs to provide public telecommunications services. Private networks </div><div>are not included in this definition. Note that the </div><div>use of capital "N" in Networks indicates that this definition applies.</div><div>~°~</div><div>ROA = Recognized Operating Agency</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>...i think these definitions allow me to expect at </div><div>least one ASN to define the boundaries of the </div><div>network of certain LIRs spanning multiple </div><div>regions...unless, i'm understanding nothing :'-(</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Shalom,</div><div>--sb.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Cheers,</div><div>Noah</div><div><br></div></div></div>
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