<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 2, 2021, at 00:03 , Sylvain Baya <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" class="">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Dear AfriNIC's Community,<div class=""><br class="">Please see my comments below, inline...<br class=""><br class="">Le samedi 31 juillet 2021, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> a écrit :<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 30, 2021, at 15:14 , Sylvain Baya <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class="">Dear AfriNIC's Community,<br class=""><br class="">Le mercredi 28 juillet 2021, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><wbr class="">> a écrit :<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><br class=""></div>[...]</blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>You’re not answering the question I asked…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hi Owen,</div><div class="">Thanks for your email, brother!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class="">What is your basis in policy for claiming that a VM is OK, but leasing addresses without providing connectivity</div><div class="">services is not?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...you might have forgotten about a simple notion, </div><div class="">called: conservation. You shall recognize it as it has</div><div class=""> been refered out there as *Reservations*.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>I have not forgotten, but we are not talking about reservation. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hi Owen,</div><div class="">Thanks to take time to reply to my email, brother.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...so, *we*! i assume the same *we* you usually </div><div class="">use to call your team to support your personal interpretation of the facts?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>No, we is you and I, the people engaged in this particular conversational</div><div>thread.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Btw, you are entitled to your own opinion.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...let's, at least, agree to disagree :-/ </div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We are talking about deployment on an actual</div><div class="">host connected to the internet for legitimate use. </div><div class=""> </div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...again, *we*:=you+your_supporting_team, brother?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For what it's worth, in order to lease community's </div><div class="">ressources such as INRs, one shall *reserve* it first;</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Um, that’s true whether one is leasing the INRs with or</div><div>without connnectivity services attached, so you have</div><div>either pointed out how we are identical to every other</div><div>LIR, or, you have both pointed this out _AND_ called</div><div>into question the standard practice of every LIR.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I’m not sure which is intended.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">otherwise, any of the end-users/clients shall come <br class=""></div><div class="">to the Registration Service to request the needed <br class=""></div><div class="">INRs; sure to find some there...and you know it: </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>We don’t do anything to interfere with or prevent end-users</div><div>or clients from seeking internet number resources from any</div><div>other source.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">those must be incorporated within the AfriNIC's <br class=""></div><div class="">service region...they would save a lot of money </div><div class="">comparing to what could be otherwise payed to </div><div class="">an intermediary *LIR*...not *GIR*...<br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Many LIRs operate on a global scale, including, for</div><div>example, Verizon, Hurricane Electric, Akamai, and</div><div>more. The term LIR is primarily used not so much to</div><div>indicate some diminutive scope as to provide a convenient</div><div>distinction from RIR (regional, quasi-continental) or</div><div>NIR (National).</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">...note that no AfriNIC's Resource Member is a GIR (Global Internet Registry) but all are LIRs (Local </div><div class="">Internet Registries) established/approved to serve </div><div class="">their local economic zone and free to deploy their business accross the whole AfriNIC's service </div><div class="">region, wherever they can extend it; legally speaking.<br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>You are misunderstanding the nature of the term LIR here.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>There is nothing in AFRINIC’s governing documents which prohibits</div><div>its resource members from deploying their business across the entire</div><div>planet. If you believe that there is, please provide relevant citations</div><div>to the appropriate governing document(s).</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class="">The difference… The only difference… Is that the</div><div class="">connectivity service does not come from the same provider as the addresses.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...if...then, please see above!</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>If what?</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">You seem to read the CPM selectively, if not why could you ignore the notion of valid assignments </div><div class="">and SAW.</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>SAW applies to sub allocations made from one LIR to another. Cloud Innovation makes assignments</div><div>and does not make sub allocations, thus the SAW does not apply.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>As to “valid assignments” where is it that you think these are defined? Which section of the CPM</div><div>do you think I have ignored in considering Cloud Innovations assignments valid?</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">...icymi, please see here: </div><div class=""><<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013424.html" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013424.html</a>></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>How is this relevant to this case?</div><div><br class=""></div><div>5.5.1.1.3 is about transfers — Does not apply here.</div><div>5.5.1.2.3 is about efficiency. — Cloud Innovations utilization fraction is extremely efficient.</div><div>5.5.1.3 is about slow start — how AFRINIC goes about allocating to LIRs — Does not apply here.</div><div>5.5.1.4.1 is about utilization percentage required to request more space from AFRINIC — We are not applying for additional space, so this does not apply here.</div><div>5.5.1.4.2 is about reservations — No reservations are being made. In this context, the term reservation is used to reference</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>a situation where an LIR has set aside a group of addresses not actually deployed on hosts and attempts to claim that those</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>addresses set aside in that manner are utilized for the purposes of calculating the utilization percentage in 5.5.1.4.1.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Since 5.5.1.4.1 does not apply in this situation, and we are not making any such reservations, 5.5.1.4.2 does not apply, either.</div><div>5.5.1.7 We have, in fact, complied with all documentation requirements.</div><div>5.5.1.8 We are an LIR and not an end users, so not sure how you consider this relevant, please enlighten.</div><div>5.5.1.9 Utilization — We have properly reported our utilization through WHOIS at all times. </div><div>5.5.1.10 Reservations — Again — We are not making reservations, so this does not apply.</div><div>5.5.1.11 Validity of an assignment — We enforce this upon the assignments we make. We have also updated</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>AFRINIC as the nature of our assignments changed.</div><div>5.5.1.13 Suballocation window — We are not making sub allocations, so this does not apply.</div><div>5.5.1.13.2 — See 5.5.1.13 above</div><div>5.5.1.13.3 — See 5.5.1.13 above</div><div>5.5.1.14 Recordkeeping — We have kept all records required under this provision and have provided same to AFIRNIC whenever</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>a sufficiently specific request to identify the desired documents has been received.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>So, not a selective reading at all… A very detailed reading.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">copy -> paste:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">~°~</div><div class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class=""><tl;dr></span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">Yes! i took the responsibility to bring the CPM section 5.5 | IPv4 LIR/ISP</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">Allocations (5.5.1 Allocation policies and guidelines) to you, in case it</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">might have been a too hard task to go it the location of that content.</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">Please accept to read it...</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">...i did it with the naive expectation that it</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">could help the PDWG to move forward</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">on some recuring topics, such as</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">Internet number resources (at least for</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">IPv4 types) utilisation and responsibilities</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">thereof, within the AfriNIC's service region.</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">Therefore permit me to recommend the following subventions to your</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">particular attention:</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">¿°?</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">• 5.5.1.1.3 If an LIR plans to exchange or transfer address space, it needs</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">to contact AFRINIC so that the changes are properly registered.</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">• 5.5.1.2.3 Must show an existing efficient utilization of IP addresses</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">from their upstream provider.</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">• 5.5.1.3 Slow start mechanism for first allocations</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">• 5.5.1.4.1 An LIR may receive an additional allocation when about 80% of</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">all the address space currently allocated to it has been used in valid</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">assignments and/or sub-allocations.</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">• 5.5.1.4.2 Reservations are not considered as valid assignments or</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">sub-allocations.</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">• 5.5.1.7 Documentation</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">• 5.5.1.8 Network infrastructure (of LIR) vs End-User networks</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">• 5.5.1.9 Utilisation</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">• 5.5.1.10 Reservations not supported</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">• 5.5.1.11 Validity of an assignment</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">• 5.5.1.13 Sub-Allocation Window (SAW)</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">• 5.5.1.13.1 A sub-allocation window (SAW) refers to the maximum number of</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">IPv4 addresses that the LIR may sub-allocate to the end-users without</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">seeking approval from AFRINIC.</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">• 5.5.1.13.2 AFRINIC will review sub-allocation made by the LIR's using</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">their SAW to ensure that policies are followed correctly.</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">• 5.5.1.13.3 Below are a few guidelines for the SAW:</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">• 5.5.1.14 Recordkeeping by LIRs</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">¿°?</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">Please let me know if it was a bad initiative :-/</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">Thanks.</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class=""></tl;dr></span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">Source: <</span><a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/manual#lir-isp-allocation" style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class="">https://afrinic.net/policy/manual#lir-isp-allocation</a><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">></span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""></div><div class="">~°~</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Please read again the CPM at section 5:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">~°~</div><div class="">[...]<br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:inherit" class="">• 5.5.1.4.1 An LIR may receive an additional allocation when about 80% of</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:inherit" class="">all the address space currently allocated to it has been used in valid</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:inherit" class="">assignments and/or sub-allocations.</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:inherit" class="">• 5.5.1.4.2 *Reservations* are not considered as valid assignments or</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:inherit" class="">sub-allocations.</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:inherit" class="">[...]</span></div><div class="">~°~</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Yep… that’s not a prohibition on valid assignment and/or sub allocation independent of</div><div class="">connectivity services, that’s a prohibition of addresses not being attached to hosts.</div><div class=""> </div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...don't divide/separate the tools, please.</div><div class="">It's not allowed. The implementers use it all:</div><div class="">Bylaws+RSA+CPM to the good of the AfriNIC's </div><div class="">service region. </div><div class="">Do you want to change something?</div><div class="">...you know how to try!</div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class="">It’s simply not prohibited anywhere in policy.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Are you serious?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...going further, along with what i wrote above, note </div><div class="">that *conservation* is not valid, that appears to be </div><div class="">the best description of leasing...of INRs.</div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Nope… It’s not a good description at all. Reservations (as prohibited in 5.5.1.4.2) refers</div></blockquote><div class=""> </div><div class=""> </div><div class="">...i'm already convinced it is!</div><div class="">You shall accept it as is :-)</div><div class="">Do you want to change it?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class="">to addresses set aside for later use…Addresses not currently assigned to active hosts.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...your words, mine :-/</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">CPM section 5.5.1.4.2 says:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">~°~</div><div class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">5.5.1.4.2 Reservations are not considered as valid assignments or</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">sub-allocations.</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">It may be useful for internal aggregation to keep some IP blocks free for</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">future growth. These internal reservations are however not counted as valid</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">usage and must be assigned or sub-allocated before requesting for</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">additional allocation.</span><br class=""></div><div class="">~°~</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...my understanding of *reservation* include yours.</div><div class="">Hence, there are other possibilities. You can not </div><div class="">change that. Feel free to try with other tactics...<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class="">Such is not the case with leasing. With leasing, the addresses are assigned to hosts active</div><div class="">on the internet, but the hosts may be getting their connectivity from a different provider than</div><div class="">they are getting the addresses from.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is not a practice allowed within the AfriNIC's </div><div class="">service region , you should understand it...but feel </div><div class="">free to keep your business logic...describing it as </div><div class="">you want, will not change what it is in reality...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">CPM sections <span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">5.5.1.10 & </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">5.5.1.11</span> say:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">~°~</div><div class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">5.5.1.10 Reservations not supported</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">End-users are not permitted to reserve address space based on long term</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">plans. This violates the goal of conservation and fragments the address</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">space when initial forecasts are not met. If an LIR wants to assign address</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">space for customers, it must make the assignments from any unallocated or</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">unassigned address space it currently holds. For the purposes evaluating</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">allocation requests, space reserved by an LIR for other customers is</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">considered unused.</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">5.5.1.11 Validity of an assignment</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">Assignments remain valid as long as the original criteria on which the</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">assignment was based are still in place and the assignment is registered in</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">the AFRINIC database. An assignment is therefore invalid if it is not</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">registered in the database and if the purpose for which it was registered</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">has changed or no longer holds.</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""></div><div class="">~°~</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...yes! again: *the purpose* [1] coupled with </div><div class="">the RSA section 4(c)(i), to not say all the full </div><div class="">section 4. titled: *Conditions of service*.</div><div class="">__</div><div class="">[1]: <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2021-July/004137.html" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2021-July/004137.html</a>></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Those who are charged to implement the CPM have</div><div class=""> indicated the same. Could you, please, show us </div><div class="">where the CPM allows it?</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>If they have indicated this, then they are simply in error as that is not what it actually says.</div><div class="">I have not noticed AFRINIC staff referring to this section as prohibiting leasing, but perhaps</div><div class="">their reference escaped me at some point.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It does not need to be specifically permitted. That which is not prohibited is permitted implicitly.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...permitted where? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Have you tried to put Bylaws+RSA+CPM together?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please try, then come back with your results.</div><div class=""> </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class="">Unless there is an explicit requirement in the CPM that hosts receive connectivity services from</div><div class="">the same provider which provides their addresses, then independent assignment is inherently</div><div class="">permitted and this is the current state.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...the current course is otherwise, and you know it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Again, when there is an established RIR, to serve LIRs and End-Users within its own service region...</div><div class="">it's by definition the responsibility of the latters to </div><div class="">serve their local end-users, if applicable...i'm ready </div><div class="">to agree if you point me to any section of the CPM, </div><div class="">the Bylaws or the RSA where it's clearly stated that </div><div class="">AfriNIC shall allocate/assign INRs to GIRs (*Global* Internet Registries) or *Global* End-Users.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As long as there is no mention of the existence of </div><div class="">GIRs within the AfriNIC service region, you shall </div><div class="">understand that out-of-region assignments or </div><div class="">sub-allocations could not be the normal trend...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...i'm awaiting :-/</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class="">I hope you now understand the difference between a reservation (holding unused addresses,</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You expect me to understand what?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...please see above and get my answer from there.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class="">such as what Seacom and many others are doing) vs. providing addresses that are actually </div><div class="">in use, but not simultaneously providing transit or transport services.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...don't mix problems, do fill your complain </div><div class="">appropriately, please, and the community </div><div class="">shall address it usual.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks to stop your divertion! but you are free </div><div class="">to continue to support some wrong doings...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Have a blessed monday!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Shalom,</div><div class="">--sb.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Shalom,</div><div class="">--sb.</div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">Or wait... I can not find this so-called LIR <b class="">Cloud Innovation Limited</b> with offices in Seychelles using this BGP tool.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class=""><a href="https://bgp.he.net/country/SC" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://bgp.he.net/country/SC</a><br class=""></b></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>And?</div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class="">[...]</div></div></blockquote></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><br class="">-- <br class="">--<p class="">Best Regards !<br class="">__<br class="">baya.sylvain[AT cmNOG DOT cm]|<<a href="https://cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/Structure" class="">https://cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/Structure</a>><br class="">Subscribe to Mailing List: <<a href="https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/" class="">https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/</a>><br class="">__<br class="">#LASAINTEBIBLE|#Romains15:33«Que LE #DIEU de #Paix soit avec vous tous! #Amen!»<br class="">#MaPrière est que tu naisses de nouveau. #Chrétiennement<br class="">«Comme une biche soupire après des courants d’eau, ainsi mon âme soupire après TOI, ô DIEU!»(#Psaumes42:2)<br class=""><br class=""></p>
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