<div><div dir="auto">Like Lamiaa pointed out the goal still evidently remains the same but the method at which we aim to achieve it is and might be different but securing the continent is a top priority. </div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In addition, let’s stop this naming callings that has been happening on this thread and on other threads and focus on having an educated and learned conversation without violating the CoD. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks,</div><div dir="auto">Elvis. </div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 22:58 Mike Silber <<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" target="_blank">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Please leave me out of it<div><br></div><div>Noah and I are able to have a civilised conversation and a respectful disagreement, without third parties trying to stoke some imagined grievance.</div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><br></div><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 2 Aug 2021, at 13:11, Anthony Ubah <<a href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com" target="_blank">ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">+1 @Mike</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Agression and name calling has gradually become the order of the day.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 2, 2021, 4:44 AM Mike Silber <<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Hi Noah<div><br></div><div>Without getting into the content of your mail and without endorsing the specific language chosen by Owen: The RIRs are independent and ICANN does not in any way direct or control the RIRs.</div><div><br></div><div>The RIRs chose to operate within the ICANN framework, however can move the NRO / ASO out of ICANN at any time (including moving the contract out of PTI as well).</div><div><br></div><div>So I would not characterise ICANN as “puppet” of the NRO - but rather a framework within which an independent NRO choses to operate. That may be a distinction without a difference - so I am not offended by Owen’s choice of words.</div><div><br></div><div>Mike<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 2 Aug 2021, at 10:23, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="auto">Owen,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I have some questions for you...</div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, 20:43 Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss, <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><div><br></div><div>While people often mistake ICANN for some form of authority, the reality is that for number</div><div>resources, ICANN is a puppet at the end of the strings pulled by the NRO (which acts in the</div><div>role of ICANN ASO).</div></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Your association with LARUS has really got you off the rails.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">No wonder Larus has created the so called purported organization called the *Number Resource Alliance* aka NRA whose website is <a href="https://www.nra.help/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nra.help/</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Since you claim that ICANN is a puppet of the NRO, and not an authority, is that why your LARUS which is linked to Cloud Innovation Ltd created this so called *NRA* organisation.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Are IPv4 brokers now forming their own system? Against ICANN and the NRO? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I ask because your sentiments that ICANN is a puppet are really wanting.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers,</div><div dir="auto">Noah</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"> </div></div></div>
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