Dear AfriNIC's Community, <br><br>Le lundi 2 août 2021, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> a écrit :<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hi Mike<div dir="auto"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi Noah, </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your email, brother!</div><div><br></div><div>...it's time to learn about the RIR system's history.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Thank you for your reply and opinion on the matter.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am personally offended by Owens choice of words against ICANN.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The existence of an RIR is only possible through ICANN ICP-2 and for him to refer to ICANN as a puppet is offending.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">AFRINIC would not have existed without the ICANN structures.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Exact!</div><div><br></div><div>For those who need an anchor to start with, </div><div>please look at RFC7020:</div><div><br></div><div><pre style="font-size:10.6667px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><span class="h1" style="display:inline;white-space:pre;font-size:1em;font-weight:bold">The Internet Numbers Registry System</span></pre></div><div><<a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7020">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7020</a>></div><div><br></div><div>Shalom,</div><div>--sb.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Noah</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 2 Aug 2021, 11:42 Mike Silber, <<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" target="_blank">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Hi Noah<div><br></div><div>Without getting into the content of your mail and without endorsing the specific language chosen by Owen: The RIRs are independent and ICANN does not in any way direct or control the RIRs.</div><div><br></div><div>The RIRs chose to operate within the ICANN framework, however can move the NRO / ASO out of ICANN at any time (including moving the contract out of PTI as well).</div><div><br></div><div>So I would not characterise ICANN as “puppet” of the NRO - but rather a framework within which an independent NRO choses to operate. That may be a distinction without a difference - so I am not offended by Owen’s choice of words.</div><div><br></div><div>Mike<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 2 Aug 2021, at 10:23, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="auto">Owen,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I have some questions for you...</div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, 20:43 Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss, <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><wbr>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><div><br></div><div>While people often mistake ICANN for some form of authority, the reality is that for number</div><div>resources, ICANN is a puppet at the end of the strings pulled by the NRO (which acts in the</div><div>role of ICANN ASO).</div></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Your association with LARUS has really got you off the rails.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">No wonder Larus has created the so called purported organization called the *Number Resource Alliance* aka NRA whose website is <a href="https://www.nra.help/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nra.help/</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Since you claim that ICANN is a puppet of the NRO, and not an authority, is that why your LARUS which is linked to Cloud Innovation Ltd created this so called *NRA* organisation.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Are IPv4 brokers now forming their own system? Against ICANN and the NRO? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I ask because your sentiments that ICANN is a puppet are really wanting.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers,</div><div dir="auto">Noah</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"> </div></div></div>[...]</div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div>
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