<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Please leave me out of it<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Noah and I are able to have a civilised conversation and a respectful disagreement, without third parties trying to stoke some imagined grievance.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 2 Aug 2021, at 13:11, Anthony Ubah <<a href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com" class="">ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">+1 @Mike</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Agression and name calling has gradually become the order of the day.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 2, 2021, 4:44 AM Mike Silber <<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class="">Hi Noah<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Without getting into the content of your mail and without endorsing the specific language chosen by Owen: The RIRs are independent and ICANN does not in any way direct or control the RIRs.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The RIRs chose to operate within the ICANN framework, however can move the NRO / ASO out of ICANN at any time (including moving the contract out of PTI as well).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So I would not characterise ICANN as “puppet” of the NRO - but rather a framework within which an independent NRO choses to operate. That may be a distinction without a difference - so I am not offended by Owen’s choice of words.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Mike<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 2 Aug 2021, at 10:23, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Owen,<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I have some questions for you...</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, 20:43 Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss, <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">While people often mistake ICANN for some form of authority, the reality is that for number</div><div class="">resources, ICANN is a puppet at the end of the strings pulled by the NRO (which acts in the</div><div class="">role of ICANN ASO).</div></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Your association with LARUS has really got you off the rails.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">No wonder Larus has created the so called purported organization called the *Number Resource Alliance* aka NRA whose website is <a href="https://www.nra.help/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.nra.help/</a></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Since you claim that ICANN is a puppet of the NRO, and not an authority, is that why your LARUS which is linked to Cloud Innovation Ltd created this so called *NRA* organisation.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Are IPv4 brokers now forming their own system? Against ICANN and the NRO? </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I ask because your sentiments that ICANN is a puppet are really wanting.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Cheers,</div><div dir="auto" class="">Noah</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""> </div></div></div>
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