<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 1, 2021, at 12:21 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, 20:47 Owen DeLong, <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 1, 2021, at 06:06 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, 15:43 Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss, <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Let those who wish to run the risks of staying with AfriNIC through this situation do so</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">- let those who choose not to accept the risk profile transfer out - problem solved.</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/archive/inbound-transfer-policy" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://afrinic.net/policy/archive/inbound-transfer-policy</a> <br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Noah</div><div dir="auto" class="">PS: confusion of the highest order.</div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">Who is confused, Noah?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><span style="font-family: sans-serif;" class="">Andrew who penned down that failed Inbound Transfer Policy Proposal in 2016 and today was suggesting an Outbound transfer policy to move IPv4 space out of AFRINIC service region. There is some confusion there.</span><br class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I don’t think he’s confused, I think you fail to recognize a: the context in which he penned that 2016 proposal and b: the ways in which circumstances have changed today.</div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Personally, I think the simpler and more expedient thing would be for the board to merely ratify</div><div class="">the existing consensus RTP,</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Says Owen who recently on<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">Thu Jul 29 01:22:17 UTC 2021</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>cautioned the same AFRINIC board from ratifying a proposal under some appeal.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Yes… Difference is that there’s arguably no valid appeal standing against RTP.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Co-chairs declared consensus.</div><div>Appeal submitted</div><div>Co-chairs returned proposal to list for further community input.</div><div>Consensus was confirmed by the community and again confirmed by co-chairs. Thus this consensus declaration was not the subject of the previous appeal.</div><div>Proposal submitted to board fro ratification after second consensus call.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I refer you to the archives <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=""><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013651.html" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013651.html</a></b></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-family: Times; font-size: inherit;" class=""><b class="">Jordi</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>></span><i style="font-family: Times; font-size: inherit;" class=""> I’ve submitted several appeals, so I know very well that only patience is needed.</i><span style="font-family: Times; font-size: inherit;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-family: Times; font-size: inherit;" class=""><b class="">Owen</b>: I would think you, of all people, would understand the need </span><span style="font-family: Times; font-size: inherit;" class="">for the board to at least acknowledge the appeal and provide some assurance that it will not ratify a </span><span style="font-family: Times; font-size: inherit;" class="">policy that should be under appeal.</span></div><div class=""><br style="font-family: Times; font-size: inherit;" class=""><span style="font-family: Times; font-size: inherit;" class=""><b class="">Jordi</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>></span><i style="font-family: Times; font-size: inherit;" class=""> The Board will not be able to ratify a policy under appeal until the appeal is resolved. That’s it.</i><span style="font-family: Times; font-size: inherit;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-family: Times; font-size: inherit;" class=""><b class="">Owen</b>: Normally, I would agree with you. However, in the face of recent events, I am unwilling to place so much faith in</span><br style="font-family: Times; font-size: inherit;" class=""><span style="font-family: Times; font-size: inherit;" class="">this current board.</span><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Is it safe to say that you Owen is equally confused.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Nope… But apparently I was right about you being confused. You seem to fail to grasp the difference in circumstance for the two policies you mention above.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">but Andrew’s suggestion could also mitigate risks for members.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It remains Andrew's personal opinion and not the consensus of 75% of the membership base. </div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>How did you measure this 75%’s opinions? Please do tell.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Further, what do members have to do with policy? Policy is under the control of the community. Members get control of the board and the bylaws.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""></div></body></html>