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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Even if a transfer policy is adopted, *<b>before</b>* any transfer AFRINIC has the right to verify the resources are being used according to the policies, RSA, documentation/justification provided when it was allocated/assigned, etc., etc. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>If the resources don’t follow the rules, the RIR (not just in the case of AFRINIC) has the right to enforce (before the transfer) the rules or reclaim the resources.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Each RIR has sligtly different rules clearly, but in no case, a transfer policy shall be allowed to be used as a way to circumvent the existing rules of the origin RIR!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 1/8/21 15:01, "Taiwo Oye" <<a href="mailto:taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com">taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Thank you @andrew.<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'>It is my (personal) view that AfriNIC board should exercise their powers and pass a transfer policy</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>- <b>point 2</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'>On Aug 1, 2021, at 13:38, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'>It is my (personal) view that AfriNIC board should exercise their powers and pass a transfer policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'>Let those who wish to run the risks of staying with AfriNIC through this situation do so - let those who choose not to accept the risk profile transfer out - problem solved.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'>It is entirely within the boards powers to pass emergency policy which the community can revoke at the next pdp should they wish to do so - and if AfriNIC has the support claimed by members of this list there is absolutely zero risk in this approach.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'>Furthermore - such an approach would also remove the possibility of other legal action which may be taken against them on grounds removed from the current legal situation<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'>I remind everyone that AfriNIC has a duty to act in the interests of its members - and AfriNIC has repeatedly stated in the press - and has been echoed by various ISP associations that there is risk here - it should therefore stand that AfriNIC provide members with a way to mitigate said risk if it is within their powers to do so<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'>Again - a personal view - and again - I explicitly will not comment on the merits or demerits of this case - since I believe that the legal system should run its course and be the final arbiter of what is correct in this situation. In fact I find the amount of legal posturing on this list to be nothing short of bizarre - let the courts do their work - but let members mitigate their risks as they see fit<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'>Andrew <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id=ms-outlook-mobile-signature><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Get <a href="https://aka.ms/o0ukef">Outlook for iOS</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:center'><hr size=0 width="100%" align=center></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> Taiwo Oye <taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com><br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:00:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> Paul Wollner <paul.wollner@africaoncloud.net><br><b>Cc:</b> arin-discuss <arin-discuss@arin.net>; secretariat <secretariat@nro.net>; Community Discuss <community-discuss@afrinic.net>; apnic-talk <apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net>; ripe-list <ripe-list@ripe.net>; Members Discuss <members-discuss@afrinic.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Good day all, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I think paul made some sense in his first statement (tho the statement has been watered down now).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>If afrinic is in a financial fix or in a state where it is tending towards a financial situation where it can no longer perform its duties, it is only right to start weighing all viable options to keep the registry afloat. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Paul made a suggestion - tho a bit aggressively - about the NRO coming to save the region. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I will like the community to see this as “option 1”. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Does any other community member have any better suggestion in the (not so likely) situation that afrinic does not have the financial capability to carry out its duties?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>If so, please lay them out for discussion amongst the community members. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>If not, Option 1 remains the only alternative to cushion the effect of the financial breakdown. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>That being said. I think we should think in the direction of way forward and have a plan ready rather than crucifying Paul for being proactive. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'>On Aug 1, 2021, at 11:01, Paul Wollner <paul.wollner@africaoncloud.net> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Hello community<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I think I misused the word “take over” to spike some unfortunate sentiments.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Let me try this again:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>In the interest of internet continuity, another RIR should help AFRINIC (by staff or infrastructure), to perform it’s core registration service function for the time being, until all AFRINIC litigation has been sorted to avoid disruption to our African end users and businesses.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="x_Zm-_Id_-Sgn"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;margin-top:7.5pt;margin-bottom:7.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;mso-line-height-alt:0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id="x_Zm-_Id_-Sgn1"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>---- On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 23:38:32 +0200 <b>Paul Wollner <paul.wollner@africaoncloud.net></b> wrote ----<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Apologies for the duplicate post, but the initial posting was too large. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and especially by AFRINIC's own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu, which is available at <a href="https://ibb.co/tmWCk0k">https://ibb.co/tmWCk0k</a>, regarding the AFRINIC’s inability to keep providing its core registry functions due to its inability to meet its financial requirements.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I suggest that in order not hold end users, ISPs and any other business's hostage, for the interest of continue service of AFRINIC’s core registry service, we should urgently call for NRO fulfil their responsibility as well as commitment to the global internet to take over AFRINIC’s registration service for the time being, until litigation is settled some time later. (<a href="https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/joint-rir-stability-fund/">https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/joint-rir-stability-fund/</a>)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>That way, no end user or business will ever impacted however results come out of litigation.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id=""><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Paul Wollner<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Community-Discuss mailing list<br>Community-Discuss@afrinic.net<br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss <o:p></o:p></p></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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