<div dir="ltr">I participate in these discussions knowing there will be others whose points will differ from mine and I respect that. I cannot tag them as 'senseless' or just some people who 'force' their thoughts just because I cannot make them be on my side. Moreover, there are many ways of supporting AFRINIC. As a matter of fact, others who get to pinpoint AFRINIC's flaws are <i>supporters</i> of AFRINIC still! As Owen said, the CORRECTION of behavior is what's being sought.<br><br><br>Regards,<br>Christian<br><br><br><br><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 5:58 AM Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I would like to invite the community to stop responding to the CI Staff on this matter. I have the impression that they are using us to find fallacious arguments to use against Afrinic while seeking to stuff our heads with their mistaken and incongruous understanding of Afrinic's texts. The case is before justice, we just have to support Afrinic and ignore the henchmen of CI in their games of destruction and lies.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">French :</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Je voudrais inviter la communauté à ne plus répondre au Staff de CI sur cette affaire. J'ai l'impression qu'il nous utilise pour trouver des arguments fallacieux à utiliser contre Afrinic tout en cherchant à nous bourrer le crâne deleur compréhension erronée et incongrue des textes d'Afrinic. L'affaire est devant la justice, soutenons Afrinic et ignorons les sbires de CI à leur jeux de destruction et de mensonge.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">--</div><div dir="auto">Arnaud </div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le sam. 31 juil. 2021 à 18:54, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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> On Jul 30, 2021, at 23:27 , Ish Sookun <<a href="mailto:ish.sookun@lasentinelle.mu" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ish.sookun@lasentinelle.mu</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Not only this situation allowed to us to know who is supporting AFRINIC but <br>
> also bring forward those who would not hesitate to destroy the organization <br>
> for commercial end.<br>
> <br>
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I think you are confused. Certainly, at no point have I sought the destruction of<br>
AFRINIC. Indeed, any potential destruction of AFRINIC is the direct result of the<br>
inevitable reaction when AFRINIC sought to destroy another company and that<br>
company availed itself of the legal system in defense of its contractual rights.<br>
<br>
Had AFRINIC stuck to its governing documents as written, rather than choosing<br>
to invent restrictions which are not codified therein and use those as an artifice<br>
to take adverse action against a resource member, there would be no basis<br>
for any of the current legal claims by Cloud Innovation.<br>
<br>
I still do not seek the destruction of AFRINIC, but rather the correction of its<br>
behaviors. While I am not a fan of some of the things Cloud Innovation has<br>
done, I see an RIR that does not operate according to its governing documents<br>
as a much greater threat to the community than anything any resource member<br>
has or could do.<br>
<br>
Owen<br>
<br>
> Regards,<br>
> <br>
> -- <br>
> Ish Sookun<br>
> <br>
> On Friday, 30 July 2021 22:49:36 +04 Sami Salih wrote:<br>
>> Thanks Noah this is really important, we need to know who is supporting our<br>
>> organization in this hard time.<br>
>> <br>
>> Get Outlook for<br>
>> Android<<a href="https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg</a>><br>
>> <br>
>> ________________________________<br>
>> From: Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>><br>
>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 2:35:38 PM<br>
>> To: AfriNIC Discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>>; General Discussions of<br>
>> AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> Subject: [Community-Discuss] South<br>
>> Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments<br>
>> <br>
>> Dear Members and the wider AFRICAN Community.<br>
>> <br>
>> I note that the ISP Association of South Africa has made a public statement<br>
>> as well following TISPA'S public statement on recent AFRINIC developments.<br>
>> <br>
>> I thought it was important to share the same with the rest of you in case<br>
>> you missed this important message since ISPA South Africa represents the<br>
>> large voice of AFRINIC members in South Africa.<br>
>> <br>
>> So for those who are trying to show doubt that there is a loss of confidence<br>
>> in AFRINIC, the statement from ISPA-ZA should show you all that the<br>
>> industry representative body for ISPs in South Africa does not suffer from<br>
>> a loss of faith in AFRINIC.<br>
>> <br>
>> You can read the important statement via the link below.<br>
>> <br>
>> <a href="https://ispa.org.za/press_releases/ispa-statement-on-recent-afrinic-developments" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ispa.org.za/press_releases/ispa-statement-on-recent-afrinic-developments</a><br>
>> <br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>> Noah<br>
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