<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 29 Jul 2021, 12:19 Erick Joshua Lagon, <<a href="mailto:erickj.lagon@gmail.com">erickj.lagon@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="ltr">However, what bothers me in his statement (in the video), is one: the other means to acquire funds, what other means is the AFRINIC going to do?</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Why do you care?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="ltr"> I hope that AFRINIC will be transparent in this accord, for the sake of the Community.</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="http://www.afrinic.net">www.afrinic.net</a> go there and get informed.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="ltr"> Second, will be the Joint RIR Stability Fund. I have seen that AFRINIC is the smallest contributor in this stability fund (<a href="https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/joint-rir-stability-fund/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/joint-rir-stability-fund/</a>). The question is, can the AFRINIC contribute as much as their counterparts to the stability fund? </div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Would you rather the so called nra.help contributed or our great NRO system.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="ltr">Also, this hiccup in the operations of AFRINIC should trigger a sense of urgency</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What urgency? There is no rush.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="ltr"> in them to reform their system in order to deliver excellent services to their members. </div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And that is why we are here. AFRINIC is delivering an excellent service of ACCOUNTABILITY.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers,</div><div dir="auto">Noah</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Erick</div></div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 1:47 PM Ronald F. Guilmette <<a href="mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rfg@tristatelogic.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">Paul Hjul has posted to this mailing list a number of well-reasoned<br>
and eloquently articulated arguments that are more than sensible,<br>
and with which I agree wholeheartedly. The quotes below are not<br>
among them.<br>
<br>
In message <<a href="mailto:CAF4kYpvN-OqTh1-jbC5Kctg4vC6Wum62DtP8aYj%2BVJ9%2BV6Kbrw@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">CAF4kYpvN-OqTh1-jbC5Kctg4vC6Wum62DtP8aYj+VJ9+V6Kbrw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
Paul Hjul <<a href="mailto:hjul.paul@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">hjul.paul@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>Hopefully the Board and management will quickly<br>
>make it very clear that partnership in "building Africa's digital future"<br>
>means collaboration of a global nature. It means devising consensus and<br>
>action that is aimed at promoting a true digital future and distancing from<br>
>the deleterious xenophobic and regionalist attitudes and discourse that<br>
>flares up.<br>
<br>
Paul, this is the second time that you have injected these dual epithets,<br>
"xenophobic" and "regionalist" into the conversation here. I personally<br>
feel that these terms are both distracting and beneath the otherwise<br>
admirable level of your discourse. Further, I am not even persuaded<br>
that the term "regionalist" even is an epithet, even though it is clear<br>
that you intend us to interpret it that way.<br>
<br>
What is the opposite of "regionalist"? "Globalist"? Assuming so, I would<br>
be more than happy to debate you, ad infinitum, on the question of whether<br>
"globalism", writ large, has or has not improved the lot of the lower<br>
classes globally, and specifically in the third world, or whether its<br>
primary economic effects have been to make mega-billionaries even richer<br>
to the point where they can now commute to space via their own private<br>
rocket ships.<br>
<br>
Paul, if you're going to trumpet the beneficial effects of globalist<br>
capitalism, then you had best be prepared also to defend its less<br>
desirable effects as well. Is it right or proper or fair that a<br>
poor sharecropper in Kenya should go hungry or that his daughter<br>
should lose an eye for want of a surgeon, all because speculators in<br>
New York have decided amongst themselves that the global price of<br>
bulk coffee should be cut in half this week?<br>
<br>
>This brings me back to the fact that the best way to manage the risk which<br>
>is plaguing the organization is to get as much dispute resolution handled<br>
>outside of potentially organization shattering litigation.<br>
<br>
So you are in favor of unilateral disarmament on the part of AFRINIC?<br>
You want them to go cap in hand to all three of the parties that are<br>
current suing them and beg for a negotiated settlement in each case?<br>
<br>
Maybe we should make you the next U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan.<br>
<br>
>The membership<br>
>simply do not know how many litigants there are knocking at Afrinic<br>
<br>
Objection your honor! Speculative. Calls for a conclusion not based on<br>
the facts in evidence.<br>
<br>
I might as well speculate that there are just oodles and oodles of people<br>
and companies lining up, as we speak, to sue -you-. (How do we know<br>
there aren't? Can you prove that there aren't any such?)<br>
<br>
>but it<br>
>is quite clear that there are several cases that need to be handled<br>
>appropriately and to date the organization has crafted an environment<br>
>favouring a litigious approach.<br>
<br>
I'll be blunt. That is utter rubbish. AFRINIC did the Right Thing by<br>
reclaiming blocks of IP addresses which had been -provably- stolen from<br>
its free pool. Two of those thieving companies sued, apparently based<br>
on nothing other than bogus disinformation that they themselves had<br>
manufactured out of their... well... out of thin air. Nothing AFRINIC<br>
did in either of those two cases consitutes "crafting an environment<br>
favouring a litigious approach". That is an utterly false, disingenuous,<br>
and slanderous claim with no basis in fact and I encourage yoy to retract<br>
it.<br>
<br>
More recently, AFRINIC, acting on information that none of us has yet even<br>
seen, made a decision to reclaim a great deal of IPv4 space from a different<br>
party. In the wake of that decision, THE OTHER PARTY initiated legal action.<br>
<br>
Once again, your narrative of AFRINIC "crafting an environment favouring<br>
a litigious approach" falls flat in the cold light of day and the actual<br>
facts.<br>
<br>
I'm damn glad that you are not the CEO of my bank. It seems that if you<br>
were, and if the place got robbed, you would just throw up your hands and<br>
say "Oh well! Boys will be boys!"<br>
<br>
If the bank got robbed three times in a row, you would blame it on the<br>
bank and urge the bank president to sit down in arbitration with the<br>
various robbers.<br>
<br>
We've seen this kind of thing where I live. Not recently but in the past.<br>
Some people occasionally claim that women who have been molested have only<br>
themselves to blame because they were wearing skirts that were too short.<br>
Blame the victim. We don't do this too much here in the U.S. anymore, as<br>
the practice has been well and widely discredited. The blame now properly<br>
goes to the perpetrators, NOT to the victims.<br>
<br>
Let's be clear about who, exactly, has "crafted an environment favouring<br>
a litigious approach". AFRINIC is currently facing three legal actions<br>
against it. Who initiated each and all of those?<br>
<br>
I'll give you a hint. It wasn't AFRINIC.<br>
<br>
What AFRINIC has done may be right or may be wrong, but AFRINIC is not<br>
the party that has initiated these legal actions, two of which, at<br>
least, are based on some of the most provably outrageous frauds ever<br>
conceived by the mind of man.<br>
<br>
It seems however that you want AFRINIC to sit down amicably with those<br>
thieves and negotiate with them so that they each get to keep half of<br>
what they have provably stolen. Doing so would only add disgrace to<br>
dishonor, and I, for one, sincerly hope that AFRINIC does not do so.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
rfg<br>
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