<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 28, 2021, at 14:40 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 8:28 AM Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 26, 2021, at 04:01 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 25 Jul 2021, 19:32 Leo S, <<a href="mailto:leoso@afcast.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">leoso@afcast.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">The current situation poses risks to users who rent their IP addresses. I think the problem itself is AFRINIC's own problem. Who allocated 7 million addresses to them? As far as I know, even providers like OVH do not have 7 million IP addresses. And a paper company can get 7 million IP addresses.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">This part of the world, we call them brief case companies.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">So while checking some statistics with a good friend over the weekend, we just noted that actually Cloud Innovation has more IPv4 addresses than East African countries of Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda and I won't even bother posting for Rwanda, Burundi and South Sudan because its sad.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>It also serves more end users<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You mean e.g........</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1. AS133199 = SonderCloud Limited,<br class=""><b class="">Country of Origin:Hong Kong<br class=""></b><a href="https://bgp.he.net/AS133199#_prefixes" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://bgp.he.net/AS133199#_prefixes</a><br class=""><br class="">…[snip]...</div><div class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">19. AS262167 Redcol S.A.</div><div class=""><b class="">Country of Origin: Chile in South America<br class=""></b><a href="https://bgp.he.net/AS262167#_prefixes" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://bgp.he.net/AS262167#_prefixes</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://bgp.he.net/net/45.199.159.0/24" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://bgp.he.net/net/45.199.159.0/24</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Sure, among others that are both within and outside of Africa.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>This is allowed by current policy, whether you like that fact or not.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=""><div class="">What is your point?</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">IPv4 Addresses Allocation to Cloud Innovation Ltd are being originated by various ISPs around the world beyond AFRICA some of whom are below from China, USA, HongKong, Chile etc and other locations based on each ASN.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">AS132203 <br class="">AS13768 </div><div class="">AS262167<br class="">AS35916<br class="">AS140107<br class="">AS55330<br class="">AS40065<br class="">AS40676<br class="">AS137443<br class="">AS137951<br class="">AS134548<br class="">AS64021<br class="">AS136038<br class="">AS63888<br class="">AS132839<br class="">AS62587<br class="">AS134121<br class="">AS141374<br class="">AS133199<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And the only known AFRICAN AS originating CIL prefixes in Africa is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">Africa On Cloud's</b></div><div class=""><b class="">AS328608</b><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://bgp.he.net/AS328608#_prefixes" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://bgp.he.net/AS328608#_prefixes</a><b class=""><br class=""></b></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Are you sure about that?</div><div><br class=""></div><div>China Telecom South Africa is (to the best of my knowledge) in Africa. Who cares where they got their ASN?</div><div><br class=""></div><div>That is just one example.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>There are others.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue"; color: rgb(32, 90, 115);" class=""><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;" class="">And that is my point!..... so much so for a unique routing 😏</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div></div>I still don’t understand how your point is relevant. So Long as Cloud Innovation is providing services in Africa, it meets the requirements in the bylaws for membership. There is nothing there about what percentage of the company’s business must be in Africa. There is nothing there about any sort of requirement for connectivity services to be provided with the addresses. There’s nothing there requiring ASNs issued by AFRINIC to announce the prefixes.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You keep implying requirements that simply don’t exist.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you have a legitimate complaint about an actual violation of policy, let’s hear it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Otherwise, what is the point of persisting in these exercises?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>