<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 27 Jul 2021, 12:48 Lili Au, <<a href="mailto:au8692936@gmail.com">au8692936@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">A funny discussion. Anyway, I saw many LOA that is CI authorise LARUS ( a Hong Kong company too) then LARUS authorise to their clients. Leo is correct.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Lili Au</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Please can you share some of those LoA from Cloud Innovation Ltd to Larus.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We will appreciate it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Noah</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> Frank Habicht <<a href="mailto:geier@geier.ne.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">geier@geier.ne.tz</a>>於2021年7月27日 15:32寫道：<br>
> <br>
> Hi,<br>
> <br>
> did any of those make any commitment like "we are using these to connect<br>
> our customers in Africa" ?<br>
> <br>
> Did CI?<br>
> <br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Frank<br>
> <br>
> PS: I count connectivity to a VM hosted by CI as ok, but not leasing<br>
> just the IP to an entity without providing them any connectivity.<br>
> <br>
>> On 27/07/2021 08:24, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss wrote:<br>
>> If you think this is a shocking amount of address space, please consider<br>
>> the amount of space<br>
>> held by:<br>
>> <br>
>> Non-LIRs (end users):<br>
>> Hewlett Packard<br>
>> Apple Computer<br>
>> <br>
>> Unclear whether to classify as LIR or not:<br>
>> Amateur Radio (AMPR)<br>
>> <br>
>> LIRs:<br>
>> XFINITY/Comcast<br>
>> Verizon<br>
>> Akamai<br>
>> XO Communications<br>
>> Amazon<br>
>> Microsoft<br>
>> Google<br>
>> etc.<br>
>> <br>
>> The equivalent of 1.5 /10s (75% of a /9) is far less than any of the<br>
>> above organizations.<br>
>> <br>
>> Owen<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>>> On Jul 26, 2021, at 01:11 , Leo S <<a href="mailto:leoso@afcast.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">leoso@afcast.com</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:leoso@afcast.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">leoso@afcast.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Hi Ronald<br>
>>> Maybe your number is correct, whether it is 6.3M or 7M,This is a<br>
>>> shocking number for everyone especially in 201x such a large block<br>
>>> allocated. This is not in 199x year.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 4:25 AM Ronald F. Guilmette<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rfg@tristatelogic.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rfg@tristatelogic.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> In message<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:CALm9Cbn%2BR9oen9%2B9YBjfbK5gGTcmEmZ1yhxgDfw04OTC3MxeZg@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">CALm9Cbn+R9oen9+9YBjfbK5gGTcmEmZ1yhxgDfw04OTC3MxeZg@mail.gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:CALm9Cbn%252BR9oen9%252B9YBjfbK5gGTcmEmZ1yhxgDfw04OTC3MxeZg@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">CALm9Cbn%2BR9oen9%2B9YBjfbK5gGTcmEmZ1yhxgDfw04OTC3MxeZg@mail.gmail.com</a>>><br>
>>> Meriem Dayday <<a href="mailto:meriemdayday@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">meriemdayday@gmail.com</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:meriemdayday@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">meriemdayday@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>>> This is a direct violation of the CoC.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> No, actually, it isn't.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> The information about how Cloud Innovation is presently making use of<br>
>>> it's assigned 6,291,456 AFRINIC-administered IPv4 addresses is<br>
>>> effectively<br>
>>> public information, and it is not difficult to derive from any<br>
>>> number of<br>
>>> public sources (e.g. RIPEStat, <a href="http://bgp.he.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">bgp.he.net</a> <<a href="http://bgp.he.net/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bgp.he.net/</a>>, etc.)<br>
>>> <br>
>>> If you lived in the time of Galileo Galilei, would you consider it an<br>
>>> affront to public decency if some people elected to look through the<br>
>>> telescope and then just describe what they saw? And if so, then what<br>
>>> is next? Book burning?<br>
>>> <br>
>>>> Disclosing such information and data without the company's<br>
>>> consent is a<br>
>>>> clear attempt of defamation and can have legal consequences on the<br>
>>>> concerned person.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> OK, let's parse that statement, because it conjoins two different<br>
>>> obvious<br>
>>> logical problems.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> First, the Internet is *not* a private network. Fact's about what<br>
>>> various<br>
>>> companies are doing on the Internet are possible to see, and to learn,<br>
>>> without needing the consent of the companies inolved. That is the<br>
>>> nature<br>
>>> of the Internet. If you want to run your own closed private intranet,<br>
>>> then go head. Nobody will stop you and you can then keep every last<br>
>>> detail of your corporate operations utterly secret. But the<br>
>>> minute any<br>
>>> company obtains Internet number resources and starts using those, it<br>
>>> *voluntarily* gives up some of its corporate secrecy in exchange<br>
>>> for being<br>
>>> a part of, and a participant on this great communications<br>
>>> experiment we<br>
>>> call the Internet.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I personally am not now, and never have been a customer of Cloud<br>
>>> Innovation.<br>
>>> And yet even well before today I already determined for myself<br>
>>> that well<br>
>>> more that 90% of Cloud Innovation's assigned AFRINIC-administered IPv4<br>
>>> address space was being deployed to other continents. This is not<br>
>>> a state<br>
>>> secret by any means, and the information may be derived from 100%<br>
>>> public<br>
>>> sources. Anyone clever enough to seek it out will find the same<br>
>>> information.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Whether the manner in which Cloud Innovation is using/deploying its<br>
>>> assigned number resources does or does not comport with its specific<br>
>>> RSA and/or with community approved regulations is a separate question,<br>
>>> and one which I myself do not have an answer to. In any case, the<br>
>>> courts will sort out those questions in due course, I imagine. <br>
>>> But the<br>
>>> mere facts of how Cloud Innovation has deployed its AFRINIC-assigned<br>
>>> resources, or how it would appear to make money, based on the<br>
>>> available<br>
>>> public evidence, are *not* corporate secrets. Any attempt to portray<br>
>>> them as such is just an attempt at heavy-handed censorship.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> The second logical problem with the statement above is contained<br>
>>> in the<br>
>>> part that says "... attempt of defamation and can have legal<br>
>>> consequences<br>
>>> on the concerned person."<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Exactly so! If the guy who posted the material you are reacting<br>
>>> to was<br>
>>> willing to take the legal risk to post that material, IN SPITE OF the<br>
>>> possibility that he could, at least in theory, be sued for defamation,<br>
>>> then why are YOU worried about it? Why should AFRINIC be worried<br>
>>> about<br>
>>> it? Obviously, this (theoretical) possibility of a defemation lawsuit<br>
>>> is only a problem for the guy who posted the (allegedly) defamatory<br>
>>> text, and he obviiously was willing to take the risk in order to<br>
>>> express<br>
>>> his opinion, SO WHAT IS THAT TO YOU?<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Here again, shouting down in the original poster in this manner<br>
>>> appears<br>
>>> to me to be just another a heavy-handed attempt at pointless<br>
>>> censorship.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I hope that we here can all have open and frank discusions of all<br>
>>> of the<br>
>>> issues now of concern to AFRINIC without these kinds of attempts to<br>
>>> muzzle dissenting viewpoints based on perfectly silly arguments.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Regards,<br>
>>> rfg<br>
>>> <br>
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