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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>How such information could be confidential?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Everybody knows the details about the cost of resources, whois data is public, companies need to have records of their accounts, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>By the way, emails can’t be deleted from the archive, we already discussed that a couple of times, unless there is a court order asking for that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Finally, this is not the PDWG.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hello, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>This is a direct violation of the CoC. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Disclosing such information and data without the company’s consent is a clear attempt of defamation and can have legal consequences on the concerned person. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Having a business or other relationship with the said company does not give you the right to divulge such details on a public mailing list. That is quite appalling.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Please refrain from violating the CoC and attacking entities in such manner. It can only be troublesome. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I am urging the PDWG chairs to act immediately by sanctioning the sender and deleting this delicate email from the list. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Best, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Le dim. 25 juil. 2021 à 15:39, Leo S <<a href="mailto:leoso@afcast.com">leoso@afcast.com</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>About Cloud Innovation Ltd I want to talk about their business model.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>They got 7 Million IPv4 addresses from AFRINIC at a price of $10,000 USD per year, and then leased them to ISPs or end users at a price of ~2 USD/year/IPv4 (large block in 2018 if Small block may be more expensive maybe $3 USD) and with an annual increase of 15% fee from the price</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>So the cost is $10,000 USD</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Revenue is 7M x 2 = 14 Million</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>so it’s 150000% profit</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Part of the cost is spent on RIR community activities and seeking support from members, and money will be used to defeat those who oppose it. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Are there any people in the world who don't love money? Those who accept their money will support them in the community. and questioned any action of discussion that would be detrimental to them.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Of course, this is Lu Heng.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>He also plundered tens of thousands of IP addresses from RIPE and A few years later sold to vodafone and earned millions of dollars. He is smart and knows who should pay the money to.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>To rent an IP address from Cloud Innovation Ltd, you do not need to use their network services and circuits. Exactly they don't provide network service. and I think 90% of IP addresses are used in North America and Asia</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I don't know much about AFRINIC's policy. But in ARIN you must have a circuit or network service then you can rent an IP address from the provider.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The AFRINIC internal audit action may be detrimental to Cloud Innovation Ltd, so they started some network services in South Africa last year as Africa on cloud. but it's a small network. I think the revenue from these services may account for less than 10% of their revenue. so 90% of their revenue still from IPv4 address leasing business</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>It can be seen from their income that they have enough money to support the lawsuit against AFRINIC. And spend money in the community to fight for their address not to be revoked.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>very sad AFRINIC is too poor </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>By the way, I was also their customer before</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________<br>Community-Discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss <o:p></o:p></p></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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