To all actors in this discussion I thought the PDWG chairs told us to abandon this but some who claim to be oldies in the community continue show disregard for constituted authority.<div><br></div><div>Now I push it back to the cochairs I want to see some barking and biting not empty threats of caution. Your directive has been violated. Whats the repercussion? <br><br>On Wednesday, July 14, 2021, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div>Once again, I apologize to the list for this off-topic disruption, but I feel that I cannot leave this unanswered.</div><div><br></div>No, discussing off topic matters on a public list is a practice of bad actors in the community.<div><br></div><div>Taking a private message and making it public is a practice of bad actors in the community.</div><div><br></div><div>Responding privately to an off-topic public email is the act of a. responsible member of the community.</div><div><br><div>Sadly, criticizing someone’s bad acts publicly is also generally not preferable to doing so in private, but in this case, I believe you have created a need to go public with my retort, so now you have it.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 14, 2021, at 04:08 , DANIEL NANGHAKA <<a href="mailto:dndannang@gmail.com" target="_blank">dndannang@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Thank you Owen for the email, <div><br></div><div>I do not appreciate private emails as the matter was published and is being publicly discussed. </div><div><br></div><div>This is a practice of bad actors in the community. </div><div><br></div><div>Daniel</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 13:56, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Daniel,<div><br></div><div>Responding in private since this is off-topic for the list.</div><div><br></div><div>This really has nothing to do with the AFRNIC PDP and has to do with things I want to be able to say and advocate for in the ARIN region.</div><div><br></div><div>There is no conflict between my activities in AFRINIC PDP and my role on the ARIN AC.</div><div><br></div><div>As to my interest in the AFRINIC PDP, you should note that I’m also at various times active in APNIC, LACNIC, RIPE, and ARIN PDPs.</div><div><br></div><div>I make my living as a consultant and I have at various times had clients all over the world and some clients with global networks. As a result, I am often asked to pay attention to the PDP in those regions.</div><div><br></div><div>I am also someone with a strong sense of community service. As such, since I am obliged to monitor the process for my client(s) anyway, I will often work towards what I perceive as the best interests of the community (regardless of whether it is best for my client or not) and I will often advocate as such. In general, I select clients who are generally ideologically aligned with me.</div><div><br></div><div>One exception is Cloud Innovation. While I am not ideologically 100% in agreement with them and do not necessarily favor the current state of policy which benefits them, I am even more concerned that the RIRs cannot simply make up policy or randomly interpret policy to suit their ideological goals and must, instead, follow the policy as written until it is amended through the proper community process.</div><div><br></div><div>AFRINIC has a long history of corruption, election irregularities, financial misdeeds, and failure to properly follow its own rules in both its governance process and in its management of the IP registry database. As such, I have maintained a high level of interest in AFRINIC’s doings in an effort to do what I can to help resolve those issues.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 14, 2021, at 03:38 , DANIEL NANGHAKA <<a href="mailto:dndannang@gmail.com" target="_blank">dndannang@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Dear Marcus, <div><br></div><div>I strongly agree, that there are policy updates from the other RIRs, what is catching my interest at the moment is that Owen has been one of the very active participants on PDP and I believe AFRINIC has a high level of freedom of expression.</div><div>When he gives a reason that he wants to have greater freedom and flexibility to advocate for changes in the internet community, some of which would be considered a conflict of interest with his role as an Advisory Council member. I begin to realise that Owen could have been having a high conflict of interest which conflicted with his position on the AC. </div><div><br></div><div>Dear Owen,</div><div>Owen, kindly advise how we could deal with the Conflict of Interest in the PDP as you state it clearly in your reason. Furthermore, I still have question marks as to why the AFRINIC PDP is of high interest to you - yet the Policies discussed are for the development of the Internet in Africa. Is something wrong with the AFRINIC PDP that stimulates high interest for your participation in AFRINIC Process that the Africa participants have failed to solve which requires your expertise?</div><div><br></div><div>Is ARIN more superior than AFRINIC?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks </div><div>Daniel </div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div hspace="streak-pt-mark" style="max-height:1px"><img alt="" style="width:0px;max-height:0px;overflow:hidden" src="https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=aZG5kYW5uYW5nQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ%3D%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=a9e695cc-c10a-4179-9b43-33032923c218"><font color="#ffffff" size="1">ᐧ</font></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 13:26, Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 13, 2021 5:03:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><wbr>>; AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
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<div>Apologies to the list for this off-topic posting, but given the unwarranted attention already paid to the</div>
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<div>1.<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>I chose to resign my position on the ARIN AC. I was not forced to resign. I did not have to resign.</div>
<div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>So your speculation is neither accurate, nor appropriate and the implications are offensive.</div>
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<div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>The time has come where I felt the need to remove that restraint in order to best serve the</div>
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<div>Reading anything other than the above into it would be a mistake and further speculation is very</div>
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<div dir="auto">We all would like to know why Owen, so active in our PDP, has to resign from his position at ARIN AC which serves in an advisory capacity to the Board of Trustees on Internet number resource policy and related matters. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Le lun. 12 juil. 2021 à 12:37, Taiwo Oye <<a href="mailto:taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com" target="_blank">taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br>
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<div>How is this of concern to you or to any of the members of the afrinic community. Kindly direct your question to the appropriate quarters -<span> </span><a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a><span> </span>-</div>
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