<div><div dir="auto">Hello, </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Although I didn’t participate in the AGMM on the 4th of June, 2021 but: </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As Paul pointed out, personally I concur that first, giving everyone an equal opportunity to discuss as well as comment should be something that the AFRINIC should strive to improve on at all conferences, summits and so on. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Additionally, I believe that the purpose of conducting the AGMM was to discuss and find resolutions for issues like the ones raised by Paul and not giving them the opportunity to discuss and resolve those issues is not a pleasing sight. Likewise for question 3: AFRINIC should not be using any bylaw that is not part of an AFRINIC Policy and has never been approved by the community to manage the resources usage for people. This to me is an abuse and misuse of power. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Elvis</div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 18:09 jeffery_sky via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="m_-5623925895857373236ydp3e0dd70dyiv4196518184"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
<div><div><span id="m_-5623925895857373236ydp3e0dd70dyiv4196518184ydp83c5530adocs-internal-guid-893e41a7-7fff-47c9-19b7-b5cc763405f1"></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Dear all, </span></p><br clear="none"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">I believe it is crucial to take into consideration Paul’s statement. Indeed, during the AGMM, many questions were not properly addressed, also, individuals with comments or concerns were automatically interrupted, therefore, their inquiries rejected. </span></p><br clear="none"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Mainly, the participants who did not get the opportunity to express their thoughts, were trying to tackle some serious issues about the system of management of AFRINIC as an RIR. </span></p><br clear="none"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">AFRINIC staff needs to provide the community with specific responses to the questions raised by Paul, due to their problematic nature, also, simply, to clarify any misunderstandings or new provisions that need to be discussed. Frankly, I assume it is unacceptable for an RIR to impose such rules and I firmly believe that the fair market value of IP addresses needs to be applicable in AFRINIC’s service area. </span></p><br clear="none"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Moreover, we cannot turn a blind eye to all the things that went south in the history of AFRINIC, if we strive for excellence and improvement, we need to cut off defected systems and anomalies from the root. </span></p><br clear="none"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Best, </span></p><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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On Thursday, June 24, 2021, 05:28:49 PM GMT+9, Paul Wollner <<a href="mailto:paul.wollner@africaoncloud.net" target="_blank">paul.wollner@africaoncloud.net</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="m_-5623925895857373236yiv4196518184"><div id="m_-5623925895857373236yiv4196518184yqtfd62689"><div><div style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><blockquote style="margin:0px"><div><div style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Dear Chairperson,</span><br clear="none"></div><p style="margin:0px"><span> </span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><span>Reference is made to the AGMM chaired by
you on the 4 June 2021.</span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><span> </span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><span>I wish to put on record that at the AGMM we
were not given a reasonable opportunity to discuss and comment on the
management of AFRINIC and in particular to the following issues:-</span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><span> </span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><b><span>Question
1</span></b><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><span> </span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><span>AFRINIC claims that any change in the IP
usage will require re-justifying the usage. Would it mean that, hypothetically,
if I have a web customer on my server and they leave to be replaced with a VPN
customer, will I need to seek AFRINIC’s approval first?</span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><span> </span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><u><span>Question 1 was not discussed or
commented upon</span></u><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><span> </span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><b><span>Question
2</span></b><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><span> </span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><span>The rest of the world enjoys a 30 USD/IP at
a free open market. With AFRINIC having a transfer policy in place, will
AFRINIC still demand any unused IP be returned to them for free?</span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><span> </span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><u><span>Question 2 was not discussed or
commented upon</span></u><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><span> </span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><b><span>Question
3</span></b><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><span> </span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><span>Out-of-region use was extensively discussed
within the last decade, and it was a consensus that pre-soft landing space is
allowed for out-of-region use. Yet, I heard that AFRINIC seems to be using
bylaw 6.1 to manage other people’s resource usage. This is not part of AFRINIC
policy and has, with good reason, never been approved by the community. Can
AFRINIC clarify its understanding of out-of-region usage to the member base?</span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><span> </span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><u><span>Question 3 was not discussed or
commented upon</span></u><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><span> </span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><b><span>Question
4</span></b><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><span> </span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><span>Madhvi was in charge of the registration
department when the IP heist happened – this, at the very least, shows her
incompetence, so why is she getting promoted instead of rightfully dismissed?</span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><span> </span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><u><span>Question 4 was not discussed or
commented upon</span></u><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin:0px"><b><span>Paul
Wollner</span></b><br clear="none"></p><div id="m_-5623925895857373236yiv4196518184"><div><br clear="none"></div></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"></div></blockquote></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Community-Discuss mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss</a><div id="m_-5623925895857373236yiv4196518184yqtfd37747"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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