<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 11, 2021, at 03:49 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 11 Feb 2021, 14:42 Owen DeLong, <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 9, 2021, at 14:11 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi AFRINIC Team,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">While reading the report, I noted that among the recommendations on how to make things better, was below.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:10px;color:rgb(117,117,117);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14px" class=""><li style="box-sizing:border-box;text-align:justify" class="">The report recommends that the AFRINIC community critically assess how best the accuracy of the information pertaining to Legacy Resource Holders can be improved and considers whether unused legacy resources should be left idle while AFRINIC exhausts its remaining pool of IPv4 addresses.</li></ul><div class=""><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">How much unused legacy resources are we looking at? </div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>There is literally no way to know whether legacy resources are used or not. </div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Did you read the statement that formed part of the recommendation from AFRINIC or you are jumping to conclusions.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Yes, I read the statement.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">AFRINIC is asking us the community to consider whether unused legacy resources should be left idle while AFRINIC exhausts its remaining pool and my question to AFRINIC was simple…</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Yes, I understand the request and I understand your question, but while the question is simple, the answer is not. At least not as I understood your original question.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">How much unused legacy resources are we looking at?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div></div>Are you now asking what is the total amount of space covered by legacy registrations in the AfriNIC database or are you asking how much legacy space is currently idle?<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Addresses covered by legacy registrations will fall into one of the following utilization scenarios:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Actively announced in publicly visible BGP by the registrant or a legitimate designee: obviously in-use.</div><div class="">2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Announced in publicly visible BGP, but not by an unauthorized party: May or may not also be in legitimate use by the registrant.</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>It may or may not be possible for a third party such as the RIR to identify such a situation.</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>It may or may not be possible to determine the utilization status by the registrant.</div><div class="">3.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Not announced in publicly visible whois, but still in legitimate use by the registrant:</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>It may or may not be possible for a third party such as the RIR to identify such a situation.</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>It may or may not be possible for the RIR to confirm utilization.</div><div class="">4.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Not announced in publicly visible whois and not actually i use by the registrant:</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>It may be impossible for the RIR to distinguish this from condition 3 above.</div><div class="">5.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Registrant organization or individual no longer exists.</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>It can be difficult to determine this with any degree of certainty. Especially with the various murky ways that</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>legacy registrants have been known to create successor organizations or individuals through chains of custody</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>not involving or updating records with RIRs over many years.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So… I am not jumping to conclusions, I am speaking from rather significant experience grappling with this problem in more than</div><div class="">one RIR over more than a decade.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></body></html>