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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>In my opinion, the right way to have this is:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Bylaws, almost as they are now. They refer already to the resources, PDP and the RSA.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>RSA. Handles well the relation of any member with AFRINIC. However, this is only covering “full members” in the sense that they are getting any resources from AFRINIC *<b>and</b>* then they get the full set of services. For example, it handles in a very generic way the recovery of resources from members that violate PDP, stop paying fees, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>PDP (CPM). It tells AFRINIC what are the policies that they should apply to provide resources and services and under what conditions the services and resources are provided. The PDP is the most important document, the other two are just “frameworks”.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Note that I’m not saying that any of those documents is 100% correct, they all have mistakes, typos, things to improve, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:18.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>What we are missing:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=a><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>A kind of RSA for legacy holders. If they decide to pay for the full set of services, they will sign the RSA. Note that this is not changing what we have already today. A legacy holder that got originally only IPv4 resources, and now as for an ASN or IPv6, they will need to sign the RSA already. However, a legacy holder that only has the original set of IPv4 resources allocated pre-RIR, still need some of the registration services, so we need a “slightly reduced fee” and a specific service agreement. May be “LSA” Legacy Services Agreement.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Maybe, to be able to do a) in “better” conditions, the CPM should have a new section stating what are the policies that apply to the Legacy holders and what services they get. I think it is a simple section stating what sections of the existing CPM apply and what other not. I’m not saying it is easy to agree on this … this is PDP work. Note that a) could be written in such way that even if this new CPM section is still not available, once available, it will be enforceable. I know is difficult, but because they don’t get the full set of services, if we play well, this, together with the need for IPv6, ASN, etc., could push the legacy to join the regular membership, accept all the policies and sign the RSA instead of the LSA.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 11/2/21 18:46, "Paul Wollner" <<a href="mailto:paul.wollner@africaoncloud.net">paul.wollner@africaoncloud.net</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Hi Noah<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Thanks for your prompt reply. I will say the same goes for the bylaw, they are both lawyer-made documents which should not govern the usage of community resource. Or else lawyers can do whatever they want to, then what is the point of having a community and CPM?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Using bylaw to justify the action of using RSA to manage IP resource is not only invalid (as RSA is a document written by lawyers)but also very ridiculous. These documents shouldn’t contain anything about resource management in the very first place because this can be used as an evidence of AFRINIC not following up its own “bottom up process” - which consequently violates its legitimacy of existence.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>The only valid way of resource management is through PDP, by making changes to the CPM - both PDP and CPM are above any jurisdiction and any legal documents such as bylaw and RSA.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>As for the bylaw and RSA, they should simply refer all resource management clauses to the CPM and delete all resource management clauses. The versions current are very poorly written and need to be redone.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id="Zm-_Id_-Sgn"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;margin-top:7.5pt;margin-bottom:7.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;mso-line-height-alt:0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id="Zm-_Id_-Sgn1"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>---- On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:09:15 +0200 <b>Noah <noah@neo.co.tz></b> wrote ----<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Hi Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Before we dwell into the RSA, please read the AFRINIC Bylaws and specifically article 3.4 sections (i) and (iii).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>The constitution is clear on what the objectives of AFRINIC are among others. The RSA and ratified policies regulate the said management of Internet number resources.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Noah<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>On Thu, 11 Feb 2021, 19:54 Paul Wollner, <<a href="mailto:paul.wollner@africaoncloud.net" target="_blank">paul.wollner@africaoncloud.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Hello Everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>It is vital to note that the RSA is not the document to regulate the resource usage. If this is the case then, the entire bottom up policy will be obsolete! The RSA can easily be amended by AFRINIC which allows and permit an arbitrary form of changes being made neglecting the proper PDP flow. This form of suggestion and idea is dangerous as it allows AFRINIC absolute control.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>We need to be mindful with what we say especially if we tend to argue for the sake of bashing certain individuals as this have the tendency to endanger the very basis that AFRINIC exists on, which is the bottom up policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>The fact remains that the RSA is a mere contractual document which establishes the relationship between the Parties which are party to the document. In essence, any issues on ground of technicality is amendable and can be made right with proper resolution of the Parties and it is not the end of the world.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>The above also encompass the mere technicalities including the change of nature. So long as the change of nature does not violate any written laws and are not used for crime, it should be permitted and AFRINIC should not be allowed to arbitrarily govern this, this will allow too much power upon them and, unfortunately, these recent weeks we can see clearly that at times the decisions that were made by AFRINIC are not the best.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Imagine changing the nature of one’s business and just by that your entire allocation is being revoked for that very reason. It doesn’t make any practical sense.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;margin-top:7.5pt;margin-bottom:7.5pt;min-height: 0.0px'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt;mso-line-height-alt:0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>---- On Tue, 09 Feb 2021 23:21:39 +0200 <b>Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>></b> wrote ----<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 4:47 PM Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Originally, the space was used for some rather specialized connectivity services. Due to changes in the market and the legal environment, those services became less lucrative and the organization pivoted. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Hardly any organization that has been in this business for more than 10 years is using every address they have for the exact purpose for which it was approved. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>None the less, delegating addresses to customers for their legitimate use as unique internet addresses remains the primary purpose of any IR whether it be regional, national, or local. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>There exists no requirement in policy that such delegations involve connectivity services. In fact, no RIR provides connectivity services to any of the organizations it issues addresses to. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Certainly, if such a requirement were intended, it could have been written into the policy. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Owen<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;font-stretch: normal'><span class=size><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>Hi Owen,</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;font-stretch: normal;min-height: 15.0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;font-stretch: normal'><span class=size><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>Firstly, thank you so much for making more explicit the evidence which has been discussed here by the community since 2014.</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;font-stretch: normal;min-height: 15.0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;font-stretch: normal'><span class=size><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>IPv4 Addresses must be used for the purpose they were requested for and <b>leasing is not allowed</b>. </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;font-stretch: normal;min-height: 15.0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;font-stretch: normal'><span class=size><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>I also find your point about RIR not providing connectivity services to organizations it issues addresses to, inappropriate because you know very well the mandate, role and the responsibilities of entities in the current Internet number registry hierarchy.</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;font-stretch: normal;min-height: 15.0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>Noah</span></span><span 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