<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Owen,</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 8:48 PM Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">What is more baffling is that its a lot of space and guess what, the members doesn't seem to have a known ASN.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Please point me to the section of the CPM which requires a member holding IPv4 number resources to have an ASN.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>





<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">The CPM does not impose that a member holding IPv4<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span>should have an ASN since there are<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span>valid scenarios for not having an ASN.</p>
<p class="gmail-p2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";min-height:15px"><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">FWIW, an LIR in Afrinic documentation means: “<b>Any Network Operator that provides Internet services to distinct end-users and end-sites.</b>” In the same context, LIRs are allocated<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>IPv4 space<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span>of type<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span>Provider Aggregatable “Allocated PA”.</p>
<p class="gmail-p2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";min-height:15px"><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">While an LIR may not have the need to run BGP and express unique routing policy distinct from the ones of its providers, there is a requirement to operate a network and offer internet services which use the IP addresses assigned to the end-users. Such a scenario is easily traceable and<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span>provable.</p>
<p class="gmail-p2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";min-height:15px"><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">This is not the case here, where an LIR<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> does </span>not run a network to serve the users to whom IP addresses are assigned to. We’ve seen LoA's and hijacking and misappropriation of the ASNs by those trying to use these "assignments". The evidence is publicly available.</p>
<p class="gmail-p2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";min-height:15px"><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Maybe the conversation to have is about the type of network and services this LIR is operating and offering, to determine if they need an ASN or not.</p>
<p class="gmail-p2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";min-height:15px"><br></p><p class="gmail-p2" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";min-height:15px">Cheers,</p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Noah</p></div><div> <br></div></div></div>