<div dir="auto">Elad<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The Code of Conduct is there to stop such defamation. Since its been invoked, its a call to both you and Roland to calm down.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The reasons I am calling your back and forth exchange crap is because am on other lists where I have seen you both go on each other just like you were attempting to do here and its not new to some of us.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Let us have a civilized discourse for we are a polite community. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That is all am saying.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Noah</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 30 Oct 2020, 20:47 Elad Cohen, <<a href="mailto:elad@netstyle.io" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">elad@netstyle.io</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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All I'm doing is to respond to an organized defamation campaign against me.</div>
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I take it as an offence when you reference my response as "crap" after my blood was spilled here in community-discuss mailing list for almost a year, without you raising your voice when my blood was spilled here for such long time. To the point that I needed
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 30, 2020 7:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>>; AFRINIC Communication <<a href="mailto:comms@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">comms@afrinic.net</a>><br>
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<div dir="auto">This two have been going on each other for a while now and for those on other lists like NANOG etc we have read enough of their crap esp when they go personal and its just that we didnt expect to see the same crap on the AFRINIC lists.</div>
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<div dir="auto">So its good that AFRINIC invoked the CoC which can come in handy.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Better they stick to issues if they both want further engagement with this polite and hospitable community.</div>
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<div>AFRINIC in its role to enforce the code of conduct on the community mailing list is issuing you your first written warning for the offensive behavior displayed against another member of the community list, namely Mr. Ronlad F. Guilmette on the thread titled
“Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC” </div>
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<div><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003715.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003715.html</a></div>
<div><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003718.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003718.html</a></div>
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<div>You went on to continue with such behaviour after the AFRINIC communications team reminded the list of the code of conduct by sending out the following email </div>
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<div><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003723.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003723.html</a></div>
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<div>In light of above, your behaviour has been deemed as offensive, discriminatory, and intimidating as it included personal attacks.This is in direct violation with Sections II and III of AFRINIC’s Code of Conduct.
<a href="https://afrinic.net/code" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/code</a></div>
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<div>You are hereby reminded to abide by the AFRINIC Code of Conduct when interacting with the AFRINIC community at all times.</div>
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<div>For more information please refer to the following blog. <a href="https://afrinic.net/20200903-code-of-conduct" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://afrinic.net/20200903-code-of-conduct</a></div>
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<div>Please refrain from acting inappropriately on AFRINIC mailing lists again.</div>
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<div>AFRINIC dans le cadre de son action pour faire respecter le code de conduite sur la liste de diffusion communautaire vous adresse un premier avertissement écrit pour le comportement offensant à l'encontre d'un autre membre de la liste communautaire, à
savoir M. Ronlad F. Guilmette sur le fil intitulé "Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC". </div>
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<div><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003713.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003713.html</a></div>
<div><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003715.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003715.html</a></div>
<div><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003718.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003718.html</a></div>
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<div>Vous avez continué avec ce comportement même après que l'équipe de communication AFRINIC ait fait un rappel sur le code de conduite en envoyant le courriel suivant: </div>
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<div><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003723.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003723.html</a></div>
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<div>À la lumière de ce qui précède, votre comportement a été perçu comme étant offensant, discriminatoire et intimidant car il inclut des attaques personnelles. Ceci est en violation directe avec les sections II et III du code de conduite de l'AFRINIC :
<a href="https://afrinic.net/code" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/code</a></div>
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<div>Il vous est rappelé de respecter le code de conduite AFRINIC lorsque vous interagissez avec la communauté AFRINIC à tout moment. </div>
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https://afrinic.net/20200903-code-of-conduct</a></div>
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<div>Veuillez vous abstenir d'agir à nouveau de manière inappropriée sur les listes de diffusion AFRINIC.</div>
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<div>On 27 Oct 2020, at 17:57, Elad Cohen <<a href="mailto:elad@netstyle.io" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">elad@netstyle.io</a>> wrote:</div>
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have other things to attend to." - like cleaning pores?</span>
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<font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b><span> </span>Ronald F. Guilmette <<a href="mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rfg@tristatelogic.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a> <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC</font>
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<div>In message <<a href="mailto:995ECA50-E1DA-49EA-ACC0-54EDA4091D1A@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">995ECA50-E1DA-49EA-ACC0-54EDA4091D1A@afrinic.net</a>>,<span> </span><br>
AFRINIC Communication <<a href="mailto:comms@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">comms@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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>The Regional Internet Registry (RIR) system is a successful model of<br>
>industry self-regulation...<br>
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I would be happy to debate the truth or falsehood of that proposition<br>
with you at some appropriate moment. (Not just now. I have other<br>
things to attend to.)<br>
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It is likely true that the RIR system has served, like the Pax Americana<br>
of the late 20th century and the Pax Romana before it, to prevent all-out<br>
violent confrontations between otherwise opposing factions. But this<br>
is not the only possible definition of the word "successful", and there<br>
have been glaring and evident problems... in the AFRINIC region, in the<br>
ARIN region, in the RIPE region, and elsewhere. To simply and unilaterally<br>
declare that "This model of governance is good. End of discusssion." is<br>
not entirely persuasive in the present context.<br>
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And although the industry may view this model as having been fantastically<br>
successful at keeping various governments largely or entirely at bay and<br>
largely or entirely out of the Internet regulation business (which even<br>
I would agree is a profoundly Good Thing) the industry, such as it is,<br>
is going to have to come to terms someday with that fact that secrecy<br>
and the shrouding of every detail underneath a gigantic blanket of<br>
NDAs neither promotes good governance nor is compatible with the ever<br>
increasing dependency of society as a whole on this utility we call the<br>
Internet, a utility whose underlying business arrangement have, by design,<br>
been keep almost entirely opaque to the outside world.<br>
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The present pandemic has only increased the dependency of society on the<br>
Internet, and thus it has also increased the need for more transparency<br>
into these private business arragements, in the public interest.<br>
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rfg<br>
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