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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I don’t know if that has been done, but my guess is that after the data lost, AFRINIC should have taken actions to ask the resources-holders to re-submit copies of the documents if they want to keep the resources or services or even keep participating in member processes (even mailings lists).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>(of course, if they only had legacy resources is not the case, but maybe they want to keep some services anyway …)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 20/8/20 12:38, "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>And this gets even more complicated.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Please remember that all attachments to all tickets pre a certain date at AfriNIC were lost in a data corruption incident, hence – if most of these organizations ever signed an RSA – AfriNIC almost certainly doesn’t have it. Also – when these transfers were initially done – no one asked the people who had the space transferred in to sign the RSA at that point that I know of, so if they DID sign it at the time of the inbound transfer, it’s probably gone, but chances are – they never did</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It’s actually an interesting situation – since a vast amount of application data is also missing – and so the clauses in the RSA that state that you must use the space as applied for – well – who’s to know what the space was applied for – or the justifications given – the data for a ton of these applications is missing – gone forever.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Andrew</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:71.4pt'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <community-discuss@afrinic.net> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 20 August 2020 13:14<br><b>To:</b> community-discuss@afrinic.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINC being sued</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:71.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:71.4pt'>Tks!<br><br>However, unless I got it wrong, and again, talking in general, when legacy resource-holders sign the RSA they are bound to it as well (never mind if you're are the source or the destination of the transfer).<br><br>Regards,<br>Jordi<br>@jordipalet<br><br><br><br>El 20/8/20 12:10, "Ronald F. Guilmette" <<a href="mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com">rfg@tristatelogic.com</a>> escribió:<br><br>In message <<a href="mailto:BE531255-E610-4BEF-A8B7-268AECBC43CF@consulintel.es">BE531255-E610-4BEF-A8B7-268AECBC43CF@consulintel.es</a>>, <br>JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>> wrote:<br><br>>1) Were those transfers done following the Intra-RIR policy?<br><br>No. These are all ancient "legacy" allocations. 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