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    <font face="Tahoma">Thanks, Andrew.<br>
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      Makes sense to me, but only if both the brokers and the interested
      RIR members abide by these rules.<br>
      <br>
      What I see more likely happening is either side finds this
      opt-in/out ineffective. If we somehow block the spamming and can
      control who attends the meetings, they'll just sidebar all their
      meetings in and around the conference venue, which we definitely
      cannot control.<br>
      <br>
      So for me, making sure the community fully understands this at an
      intellectual, commercial (and if possible, legal) level is our
      best defence at making sure nobody is duped into doing something
      they don't understand or don't really want to do.<br>
      <br>
      Mark.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17/Nov/19 10:41, Andrew Alston
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          I do however think that it may be worth considering an opt
          in/opt out list for attendees of AfriNIC meetings where people
          who wish to promote services or give general information about
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          This creates a situation where it avoids to the spam, it’s opt
          in so people who do want to see services on offer by attendees
          have the option of subscribing, and it lets the community
          market their services to each other.  I would have no issue
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          face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Mark
          Tinka <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mark.tinka@seacom.mu"><mark.tinka@seacom.mu></a><br>
          <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:32:27 PM<br>
          <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net"><community-discuss@afrinic.net></a><br>
          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31
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      <div><font face="Tahoma">I'm not sure stopping them from attending
          is possible, as that can be easily forged.<br>
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          I'm also not sure preventing them from reaching out to the
          community for their business is also feasible.<br>
          <br>
          The only real defence that I see is equipping the community
          with sufficient knowledge about this so folk are not easily
          swayed by the glorious promises of engaging with them.<br>
          <br>
          Mark.<br>
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        <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 16/Nov/19 17:20, Sami Salih
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            if we all agreed that the reasons they want to attend
            AFRINIC is not welcoming, can we be more proactive and stop
            them from attending or at least stop them from conveying the
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          <div id="x_Signature"><b>Dr. Sami H.O. Salih</b><br>
            <font style="font-size:10pt" size="2">Assistant Prof, School
              of Electronics Engineering, SUST</font><font
              style="font-size:10pt" size="2"><br>
            </font><font style="font-size:10pt" size="2">Head of
              R&D, NTC, SUDAN</font><font style="font-size:10pt"
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            </font><font style="font-size:10pt" size="2">President of
              SDv6TF</font><font style="font-size:10pt" size="2"><br>
            </font><font style="font-size:10pt" size="2">T/F:
              (249)122045707/187171355</font>
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              color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Owen DeLong
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                href="mailto:owen@delong.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><owen@delong.com></a><br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 16, 2019 12:02 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> Badru Ntege <a class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
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              <b>Cc:</b> General Discussions of AFRINIC <a
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              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31
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          <div class="" style="word-wrap:break-word;
            line-break:after-white-space">The best solution is simply to
            make sure to avoid doing business with them. Eventually they
            get the hint, especially if you tell them flat out that you
            don’t do business with spammers.
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            <div class="">Owen</div>
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                  <div class="">On Nov 15, 2019, at 09:49 , Badru Ntege
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                    <div dir="auto" class="">I agree with you on the bad
                      taste. 
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                      <div class="">Have many words to add but time to
                        breathe in and out and constrain oneself </div>
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                        <div dir="ltr" class="">Sent from my iPhone</div>
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                          On 15 Nov 2019, at 12:26, Mark Tinka <<a
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                              received these...
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                              I am probably old school, but these kinds
                              of things leave a bad taste in my mouth.<br
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                              Mark.</font><br class="">
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