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<font face="Tahoma">Thanks, Andrew.<br>
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Makes sense to me, but only if both the brokers and the interested
RIR members abide by these rules.<br>
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What I see more likely happening is either side finds this
opt-in/out ineffective. If we somehow block the spamming and can
control who attends the meetings, they'll just sidebar all their
meetings in and around the conference venue, which we definitely
cannot control.<br>
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So for me, making sure the community fully understands this at an
intellectual, commercial (and if possible, legal) level is our
best defence at making sure nobody is duped into doing something
they don't understand or don't really want to do.<br>
<br>
Mark.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17/Nov/19 10:41, Andrew Alston
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Personally I have another take on this -</div>
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I do not agree with spam - or harvesting emails - period - so
will start there.</div>
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I do however think that it may be worth considering an opt
in/opt out list for attendees of AfriNIC meetings where people
who wish to promote services or give general information about
what they are doing etc may be worth having.</div>
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This creates a situation where it avoids to the spam, it’s opt
in so people who do want to see services on offer by attendees
have the option of subscribing, and it lets the community
market their services to each other. I would have no issue
with the existence of such a list.</div>
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Just a thought</div>
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<div><font face="Tahoma">I'm not sure stopping them from attending
is possible, as that can be easily forged.<br>
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I'm also not sure preventing them from reaching out to the
community for their business is also feasible.<br>
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The only real defence that I see is equipping the community
with sufficient knowledge about this so folk are not easily
swayed by the glorious promises of engaging with them.<br>
<br>
Mark.<br>
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<div class="" style="word-wrap:break-word;
line-break:after-white-space">The best solution is simply to
make sure to avoid doing business with them. Eventually they
get the hint, especially if you tell them flat out that you
don’t do business with spammers.
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I am probably old school, but these kinds
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