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<font face="Tahoma">Totally agreed, which is why I feel that
empowering the membership with enough knowledge to handle
themselves well when approached by these brokers is the best
solution all around.<br>
<br>
Ultimately, the final decision rests in the hands of those
approaching, and those being approached. So let's equip those
being approached, and make them less susceptible to undue
influence.<br>
<br>
Mark.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17/Nov/19 15:35, Andrew Alston
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
would have a major problem with control over who attends the
meetings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">To
be frank – meetings are about the community, and if we start
deciding who can and who can’t attend the meetings – beyond
the scope of a code of conduct – it’s a dangerous and
slippery slope from there. I mean – I believe we are feel
to name, shame and shun those who behave in bad behavior at
meetings if we as individuals do not like their behavior –
but I do not believe we should prevent attendance.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In
the same way – I would not advocate for banning someone like
Marcus from the meeting who used fake accounts to spew
racist garbage on the lists. I would advocate from banning
them from the lists, and I would fully support a public
shaming and humiliation on the floor of the meeting so they
get the idea this is a *<b>BAD</b>* idea in future, but –
let them come to the meeting and face the consequences of
their actions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Mark Tinka
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mark.tinka@seacom.mu"><mark.tinka@seacom.mu></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday, 17 November 2019 at 13:44<br>
<b>To: </b>Andrew Alston
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"><Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com></a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">"community-discuss@afrinic.net"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net"><community-discuss@afrinic.net></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31
Meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Thanks,
Andrew.<br>
<br>
Makes sense to me, but only if both the brokers and the
interested RIR members abide by these rules.<br>
<br>
What I see more likely happening is either side finds this
opt-in/out ineffective. If we somehow block the spamming and
can control who attends the meetings, they'll just sidebar
all their meetings in and around the conference venue, which
we definitely cannot control.<br>
<br>
So for me, making sure the community fully understands this
at an intellectual, commercial (and if possible, legal)
level is our best defence at making sure nobody is duped
into doing something they don't understand or don't really
want to do.<br>
<br>
Mark.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 17/Nov/19 10:41, Andrew Alston wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#212121">Personally
I have another take on this -<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#212121"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#212121">I do not
agree with spam - or harvesting emails - period - so
will start there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#212121"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#212121">I do
however think that it may be worth considering an opt
in/opt out list for attendees of AfriNIC meetings where
people who wish to promote services or give general
information about what they are doing etc may be worth
having.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#212121"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#212121">This
creates a situation where it avoids to the spam, it’s
opt in so people who do want to see services on offer by
attendees have the option of subscribing, and it lets
the community market their services to each other. I
would have no issue with the existence of such a list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#212121">Just a
thought<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#212121"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#212121">Andrew <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#212121"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="color:black"> Mark Tinka
<a href="mailto:mark.tinka@seacom.mu"
moz-do-not-send="true"><mark.tinka@seacom.mu></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:32:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>
<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true"><community-discuss@afrinic.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31
Meeting</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">I'm
not sure stopping them from attending is possible, as
that can be easily forged.<br>
<br>
I'm also not sure preventing them from reaching out to
the community for their business is also feasible.<br>
<br>
The only real defence that I see is equipping the
community with sufficient knowledge about this so folk
are not easily swayed by the glorious promises of
engaging with them.<br>
<br>
Mark.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 16/Nov/19 17:20, Sami Salih wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">if we all
agreed that the reasons they want to attend AFRINIC
is not welcoming, can we be more proactive and stop
them from attending or at least stop them from
conveying the message to the community ? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Dr. Sami H.O. Salih</b><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Assistant Prof, School
of Electronics Engineering, SUST<br>
Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN<br>
President of SDv6TF<br>
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="color:black"> Owen DeLong
<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><owen@delong.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 16, 2019 12:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Badru Ntege <a
href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><badru.ntege@nftconsult.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> General Discussions of AFRINIC <a
href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<community-discuss@afrinic.net></a>; <a
href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">
members-discuss@afrinic.net</a> <a
href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true"><members-discuss@afrinic.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd:
AFRINIC-31 Meeting</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The best solution is simply to make
sure to avoid doing business with them. Eventually
they get the hint, especially if you tell them flat
out that you don’t do business with spammers.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Owen<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Nov 15, 2019, at 09:49 ,
Badru Ntege <<a
href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with you on the
bad taste. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Have many words to add
but time to breathe in and out and
constrain oneself <o:p></o:p></p>
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On 15 Nov 2019, at 12:26, Mark Tinka
<<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Not
sure if anyone else has received
these...
<br>
<br>
I am probably old school, but these
kinds of things leave a bad taste in
my mouth.<br>
<br>
Mark.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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AFRINIC <a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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representing IPv4 Services, a
registered broker in RIPE, ARIN
and APNIC. We are attending at
AFRINIC 31 in Luanda, Angola, and
would be a pleasure to meet people
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