<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 12, 2019, at 00:29 , John Walu <<a href="mailto:walu.john@gmail.com" class="">walu.john@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">@ Owen<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>Interesting insights.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">True GDPR is EU person-specific rather than EU Citizen specific. U also rightly point out this is a broader term compared to the narrow citizen specific term I had imagined. Dont you then think that this expands the risk exposure rather than limit it?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Either way, what of the AfriNIC data related to resource members who happen to be both African and European (and you and I know many of them ;-) Does their data held in AfriNIC databases then fall under GDPR?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>It depends on whether the issuance of internet number resources in Africa is an “activity subject to the regulation of the union”.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Outside of the two French territories previously pointed out, I tend to think not.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Anyway, the best thing for the Board to do is to carry out a GDPR Impact Assessment and share the report with the community about the risks or otherwise of GDPR in their processes/systems.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Yep.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">rgds.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">walu </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 3:52 AM Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 10, 2019, at 00:51 , John Walu <<a href="mailto:walu.john@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">walu.john@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-7276502107029738542Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">@ Owen <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">GDPR territorial scope extends beyond Europe since its is EU citizen specific rather than geo-specific.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://gdpr-info.eu/art-3-gdpr/" target="_blank" class="">https://gdpr-info.eu/art-3-gdpr/</a><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Nope… It’s EU PERSON specific, not EU citizen.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">EU Person has a rather odd definition, but it is a superset of EU citizens (or more accurately citizens of member nations).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">However…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="gmail-m_-7276502107029738542Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>GDPR only pertains in so far as the data processing is related to:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><ul class=""><li style="box-sizing:inherit;border:0px;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;margin:1em 0px 1em 2em;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(51,51,51)" class="">the offering of goods or services, irrespective of whether a payment of the data subject is required, to such data subjects in the Union; or</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;border:0px;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;margin:1em 0px 1em 2em;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(51,51,51)" class="">the monitoring of their behaviour as far as their behaviour takes place within the Union.</li></ul><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="">Since AfriNIC specifically doesn’t offer services in the EU, and doesn’t monitor the behavior of anyone to the best of my knowledge, the applicability is suspect at best.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">In other words, anyone (Data controller/processor) handling EU citizen data is automatically subject to the GDPR in the event of a data breach - irrespective of their geo-locality.</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>You also seem to have missed this part:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><ol style="box-sizing:inherit;border:0px;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;margin:0px 0px 1.6842em;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;list-style:none;color:rgb(51,51,51)" class=""><li style="box-sizing:inherit;border:0px;font-family:inherit;font-style:inherit;margin:1em 0px 1em 2.5em;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline" class="">This Regulation applies to the processing of personal data by a controller not established in the Union, but in a place where Member State law applies by virtue of public international law.</li></ol><div class="gmail-m_-7276502107029738542empfehlung-erwaegungsgruende" style="box-sizing:inherit;border-width:1px 0px 0px;border-top-style:solid;border-top-color:rgb(234,234,234);font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;margin:0px;outline:0px;padding:20px 0px 30px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(51,51,51)">While the fact that Mauritius stupidly (IMHO) signed an agreement making this paragraph problematic, many other nations in Africa have not and so it’s again questionable whether the law can be applied to entities outside of AfriNIC that are in countries that haven’t agreed to partake in this particular brand of European overreach. (Which I admit is a trick they unfortunately learned from the gestapo tactics of the US banking regulators).</div>Note also that in Article 2 we have this:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><ol style="box-sizing:inherit;border:0px;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;margin:0px 0px 1.6842em;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;list-style:none;color:rgb(51,51,51)" class=""><li style="box-sizing:inherit;border:0px;font-family:inherit;font-style:inherit;margin:1em 0px 1em 2.5em;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline" class="">This Regulation does not apply to the processing of personal data:<ol style="box-sizing:inherit;border:0px;font-family:inherit;font-style:inherit;margin:0px;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;list-style:none" class=""><li style="box-sizing:inherit;border:0px;font-family:inherit;font-style:inherit;margin:1em 0px 1em 2em;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline" class="">in the course of an activity which falls outside the scope of Union law;</li></ol></li></ol><div class="">I’m pretty sure that AfriNIC’s issuing of IP addresses is not in any way governed by EU law. As such, the activity in question is, by my reading, exempt.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""> Ofcourse the main issue will be if the affected EU citizen will actually file a complaint in the EU Courts or not. The second issue is whether the EU courts will find the data controller guilty and if the fined/penalized entity will to pay up or ignore given their remoteness to EU centers of power. (nb:Facebook and Google have so far been paying up ;-)</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>To the best of my knowledge, few, if any, of the people likely to be in the AfriNIC whois database would be EU persons since AfriNIC specifically requires the businesses they interact with to be in the AfriNIC service region. Is there a country in Africa that joined the EU without my noticing?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Is AfriNIC bound by GDPR?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The simple answer is - it depends. </div><div class="">Do Afrinic processes and systems at any one point collect, store or process data that contains EU citizens?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote>This is not the only criteria… Also it should be noted that the actual term is “EU persons” and not “EU citizens”.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Further, it only applies to EU Persons when conducting activities which fall within the scope of EU law. (see Article 2 reference above).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">From <a href="http://lexology.com/" target="_blank" class="">Lexology.com</a> (an article by Morgan Lewis & Bockius LLP): (<a href="https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=0dc9663d-ac3b-438e-adcd-1415a45f99ca" target="_blank" class="">https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=0dc9663d-ac3b-438e-adcd-1415a45f99ca</a>)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:15px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">At its core, the GDPR enumerates rights of natural persons who are present within the European Union (EU), whether or not their data is in fact in the EU. The word “citizen” does not appear in the language of the regulation, which would indicate a reluctance to simply identify rights of EU citizens as opposed to the rights of all people within the boundaries of the EU. Practically speaking, the GDPR protects the rights of anyone within its territorial reach while at the same time applying to any entity</span><a class="gmail-m_-7276502107029738542ct_cont gmail-m_-7276502107029738542logclick" href="https://www.morganlewis.com/pubs/the-edata-guide-to-gdpr-whose-data-is-protected-under-the-gdpr" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(121,118,0);text-decoration:none;word-break:break-word;border-bottom:1px solid rgb(223,223,223);font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:15px;outline:0px" target="_blank">[2]</a><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:15px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""> using or accessing this personal data, no matter where the data exists. Trying to decipher what this means can be confusing without a more thorough analysis of the regulation and its accompanying commentary.</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">——</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">If the answer is NO. Then they are not bound by GDPR.</div><div class="">If the answer is YES. Then they are potentially bound by GDPR to the extent that if that data is abused/breached, then they potentially face sanctions/penalties from EU courts.</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>If the answer is YES, then there are more questions that need to be asked…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1.<span class="gmail-m_-7276502107029738542Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Is the person actually in the EU at the time the personal data is provided?</div><div class="">2.<span class="gmail-m_-7276502107029738542Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Is the person otherwise classified as an “EU Person”?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If the answer to either is YES, then there are more questions that need to be asked… If both are NO, then you’re done, no GDPR for you.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1.<span class="gmail-m_-7276502107029738542Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Is the activity in question subject to EU legal jurisdiction?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you can answer NO to this (and I can’t think of an activity where AfriNIC would be collecting PII and answer yes), then again, you’re done, GDPR doesn’t apply.</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Either way, Mauritius has one of the <a href="http://dataprotection.govmu.org/English/Legislation/Pages/default.aspx" target="_blank" class="">most comprehensive Data Protection legislation on the continent</a> and any data breach can actually be litigated locally (without the need for GDPR) with penalties to AfriNIC (if for example it is determined that email targets/addresses were harvested from Afrinic digital resources without consent from the data subjects).</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>I’ll leave the discussion of Mauritian law to those people who may be subject to it. I’m sure AfriNIC staff and applicable legal counsel can adequately address this.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">walu.</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 8:04 AM Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br class="">
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> On Jul 5, 2019, at 14:13 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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> If the board can't investigate that, we may have a problem, because Afrinic has to comply with GDPR.<br class="">
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Why? AfriNIC is not located in the EU and does not solicit business with EU persons.<br class="">
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AfriNIC is not, by my reading, subject to the GDPR.<br class="">
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Even if they were, AfriNIC did not violate GDPR here. Wafa might have, but I don’t think she is subject to GDPR, either. Last I looked, Tunisia was outside EU jurisdiction.<br class="">
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> I don't know if those emails come from whois or something else, but some logs may tell.<br class="">
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Why is this relevant?<br class="">
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> I my opinion it will be nicer to get a response from Wafa, and I'm sure the community will be happy to forgive her. My intent is not to punish anyone, just to make sure that we find solutions to possible problems and mistakes and avoid repeating them.<br class="">
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I have no issue with the use of the email addresses. I think the far more important issue here is the message sent under color of authority which authority likely was not authorized to Wafa at the time.<br class="">
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> El 5/7/19 10:16, "Alan Barrett" <<a href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net" target="_blank" class="">alan.barrett@afrinic.net</a>> escribió:<br class="">
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>> On 3 Jul 2019, at 15:50, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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>> I’m angrier about this as much as I think on it again.<br class="">
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>> Can the board and the staff investigate this?<br class="">
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>> Can all the people that got those emails confirm if they have provided voluntarily their emails or if they have participated in Afrinic lists, or if those emails are part of their Afrinic contacts, in order to understand if this personal data (emails are personal data), have been collected from Afrinic internal databases.<br class="">
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> There is no reasonable way for AFRINIC staff to investigate whether the recipients had agreed to receive the messages sent by Wafa Dahmani. There is also no reasonable way for staff to investigate whether email addresses were collected from the public WHOIS database. There is no non-public AFRINIC database that could have been used.<br class="">
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