<div dir="auto">Dear Colleagues,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Now that elections are over, i suggest we focus on advancing AFRINIC. Elections are simply elections and can be very divisive however once the process is over the onus is on us to join hand and work with the teams that have been elected. While the majority have their way we should also allow the minority to have their say. Like any other organization AFRINIC is a growing organization and will improve continously as the Community improves its Policy making process and engagement modalities. I am therefore appealing to us to advance as per the AFRINIC clarion call. Let us spend more time and energy discussing how to ensure every African is able to access the Internet. Statistics show that barely half the citizens of this great continent have access to the Internet. Worse still only 1% of our kinsmen are making use of the Internet for gainfull purposes (less than 2 Million Domain Names in a Continent of more than 1 Billion people. As such i call upon all of us to press the reset button and focus on the Mission of AFRINIC.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 6 Jul 2019, 11:40 am , <<a href="mailto:community-discuss-request@afrinic.net">community-discuss-request@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: [rpd] Lobbying Allegations against W (Mirriam)<br>
2. Re: [rpd] Lobbying Allegations against W (Omo Oaiya)<br>
3. Re: Larus foundation fellowship (<a href="mailto:hkariuki@isoc.or.ke" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">hkariuki@isoc.or.ke</a>)<br>
4. Re: AFRINIC Borad Elections (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)<br>
5. Re: AFRINIC Borad Elections (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)<br>
6. Re: AFRINIC Borad Elections (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)<br>
7. Re: [rpd] Lobbying Allegations against W (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)<br>
8. Re: AFRINIC Borad Elections (Omo Oaiya)<br>
9. Re: AFRINIC Borad Elections (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)<br>
10. Re: AFRINIC Borad Elections (Omo Oaiya)<br>
11. Re: AFRINIC Borad Elections (Noah)<br>
12. Re: [rpd] Lobbying Allegations against W (Mirriam)<br>
13. Re: [rpd] Lobbying Allegations against W (Mirriam)<br>
14. Re: [rpd] Letter of Appointment for Hago Dafalla (Daniel Yakmut)<br>
15. Re: [rpd] Lobbying Allegations against W (Mark Elkins)<br>
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 12:43:50 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: Mirriam <<a href="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mirriamlauren@yahoo.com</a>><br>
To: "<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>"<br>
<<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>, Badru Ntege<br>
<<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>>, wafa DAHMANI <<a href="mailto:wafa@ati.tn" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">wafa@ati.tn</a>>, Paschal<br>
Ochang <<a href="mailto:pascosoft@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pascosoft@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Lobbying Allegations against W<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:2010046842.2086490.1562330630785@mail.yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">2010046842.2086490.1562330630785@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br>
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Hi guys<br>
So I have been following these discussions and what i have noted is, some community members accusing others for something they also do.?Wafa clarified earlier that she was lobbying in her personal capacity for her preferred candidates from Northern Africa and others. And Mr.Dewole was also lobbying for his preferred board candidates Seun and Adewale within Nigeria. And Andrew Alston was lobbying for his preferred board candidates Sunday, Haitham and Silber in the past elections.?<br>
Seems to me that different members from the community are also engaged in lobbying from what I have read with each individual stating their own reasons and plans why they prefer those candidates.??<br>
Elections are over. We should concentrate on other important issues and maybe every lobbyist out there can revisit their lobbying activities when election season opens again.?<br>
I don't see anything constructive from this discussion other than the fact that it has diverted attention from the email Wafa sent in an attempt to help new members of the community to get knowledge about the PDP .<br>
As for Larus Foundation Fellowship issue which Wafa raised earlier before this confusion of lobbying,? I think Afrinic needs to intervene since they run fellowship programs? and show leadership so that the PDP is not abused further by other third parties. Third parties can directly work with Afrinic to remove doubt from the community.<br>
Mirriam.<br>
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 14:19:08 +0100<br>
From: Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>><br>
To: "<a href="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mirriamlauren@yahoo.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mirriamlauren@yahoo.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Lobbying Allegations against W<br>
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On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 13:45, Mirriam via Community-Discuss <<br>
<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi guys<br>
><br>
> So I have been following these discussions and what i have noted is, some<br>
> community members accusing others for something they also do.<br>
><br>
> Wafa clarified earlier that she was lobbying in her personal capacity for<br>
> her preferred candidates from Northern Africa and others. And Mr.Dewole was<br>
> also lobbying for his preferred board candidates Seun and Adewale within<br>
> Nigeria. And Andrew Alston was lobbying for his preferred board candidates<br>
> Sunday, Haitham and Silber in the past elections.<br>
><br>
> Seems to me that different members from the community are also engaged in<br>
> lobbying from what I have read with each individual stating their own<br>
> reasons and plans why they prefer those candidates.<br>
><br>
> Elections are over. We should concentrate on other important issues and<br>
> maybe every lobbyist out there can revisit their lobbying activities when<br>
> election season opens again.<br>
><br>
> I don't see anything constructive from this discussion other than the fact<br>
> that it has diverted attention from the email Wafa sent in an attempt to<br>
> help new members of the community to get knowledge about the PDP .<br>
><br>
> As for Larus Foundation Fellowship issue which Wafa raised earlier before<br>
> this confusion of lobbying, I think Afrinic needs to intervene since they<br>
> run fellowship programs and show leadership so that the PDP is not abused<br>
> further by other third parties. Third parties can directly work with<br>
> Afrinic to remove doubt from the community.<br>
><br>
> Mirriam.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
Nice summary. Hopefully, we can now move forward to productive discussions<br>
and make corrections where we think they are needed.<br>
<br>
I like the idea of ALL fellowship support channelled through AFRINIC. This<br>
can be coupled with the more elaborate newcomer arrangements that have been<br>
proposed by some.<br>
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Omo<br>
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Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2019 16:39:54 +0300<br>
From: <a href="mailto:hkariuki@isoc.or.ke" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">hkariuki@isoc.or.ke</a><br>
To: wafa DAHMANI <<a href="mailto:wafa@ati.tn" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">wafa@ati.tn</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>, <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:0303fa21f58074ce24d6e5e91ab09986@isoc.or.ke" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">0303fa21f58074ce24d6e5e91ab09986@isoc.or.ke</a>><br>
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Wafa,<br>
Thank you for the below education package.<br>
As a new AFRINIC fellow, I am finding it helpful in understanding <br>
policy issues and will hopefully join in the conversation <br>
constructively.<br>
Regards,<br>
Hellen,<br>
Vice President, ISOC Kenyan Chapter.<br>
<br>
On 2019-07-02 12:30 PM, wafa DAHMANI wrote:<br>
> Hi<br>
> <br>
> It fell under public domain, that those who benefited from Larus<br>
> foundation fellowship to attend the last afrinic meeting in Kampala,<br>
> were given a confidential Education package on AFRINIC Number<br>
> Resources Policy proposals detailed in the following link:<br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kf7K8JdL-zl5NYjlboltmoXeq2mAJvNg" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kf7K8JdL-zl5NYjlboltmoXeq2mAJvNg</a><br>
> <br>
> The document lists the proposals to be discussed, Larus Foundation<br>
> views of Pros and Cons on each of them, selective PDWG participants<br>
> interventions on the proposals.<br>
> <br>
> The education package so proposed intends to condition these<br>
> participants views on the proposals and their contributions at the<br>
> PPM and after....<br>
> <br>
> I like to remind us that the PDP is open for any individual willing to<br>
> participate. Views expressed are personal. No need to know who is<br>
> behind each source email address... only opinions expressed in the<br>
> context of the PDP matter. The substance of contribution really<br>
> matter. Diversity of views are encouraged. Lack of disagreement is<br>
> more important than of agreement. Also PDP is not a matter of<br>
> volume, repetition or persistence.<br>
> <br>
> RFC 7282 section 6 and 7 are clear on these aspects of the rough<br>
> consensus process.<br>
> <br>
> Section 6<br>
> <br>
> One hundred people for and five people against might not be rough<br>
> consensus.<br>
> <br>
> Section 7<br>
> <br>
> Five people for and one hundred people against might still be rough<br>
> consensus<br>
> <br>
> My African fellows,<br>
> <br>
> Your desire to participate to AFRINIC policy development Process is<br>
> legitimate and must be encouraged. I hope the last meeting was useful<br>
> to you and allow you to identify the issues, understand what is going<br>
> on and what Africa needs... I hope you?ve made your minds and now<br>
> able to speak on your personal capacity..<br>
> <br>
> The real education package is as below:<br>
> <br>
> =====<br>
> <br>
> Proposal to establish AFRINIC<br>
> <br>
> <a href="http://web01.jnb.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/ppm-minutes/862-kuala-lumpur-1997" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://web01.jnb.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/ppm-minutes/862-kuala-lumpur-1997</a><br>
> <br>
> IANA report on AFRINIC (Accreditation)<br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://www.iana.org/reports/2005/afrinic-report-05aug2005.pdf" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.iana.org/reports/2005/afrinic-report-05aug2005.pdf</a><br>
> <br>
> AFRINIC constitution<br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws</a><br>
> <br>
> Registration Service Agreement<br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa</a><br>
> <br>
> AFRINIC policy manual<br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/manual" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/policy/manual</a><br>
> <br>
> AFRINIC policies before the adoption of the CPM<br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-pre" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-pre</a><br>
> <br>
> AFRINIC PDP<br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/policy</a><br>
> <br>
> Rough Consensus<br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282</a><br>
> <br>
> AFRINIC current policy proposals<br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals</a><br>
> <br>
> RiRs PDPs<br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/</a><br>
> <br>
> RIR comparative policy overview<br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/rir-comparative-policy-overview/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/rir-comparative-policy-overview/</a><br>
> <br>
> ==============<br>
> <br>
> Please read and process them, ask questions and find your way.<br>
> <br>
> Come build African Internet by Africans.<br>
> <br>
> As for Larus Foundation, your relationship to cloud innovation,<br>
> afrinic member with suspicious activities, holding 6 millions of IPv4<br>
> is long established and discussed many times on this list. I hope the<br>
> fellows would find these discussions in the archives.<br>
> <br>
> I call the attention of the board on the repetitive attempts of this<br>
> resource member to hijack the PDP for its sordid intentions... the<br>
> provisions of the bylaws and RSA must carefully be applied to recall<br>
> members to acceptable code of conduct.<br>
> <br>
> The African Internet community as well as the global Internet<br>
> community must pay close attention and protect the RIRs Policy<br>
> development process and operations.<br>
> <br>
> -Wafa<br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> Community-Discuss mailing list<br>
> <a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2019 23:04:24 +0200<br>
From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
To: "<a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:87E37923-5169-44B8-8CFE-69665CC1CADB@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">87E37923-5169-44B8-8CFE-69665CC1CADB@consulintel.es</a>><br>
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Hi Badru,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Well with the response from Ahmed, it is clear that:<br>
He didn?t provided his email.<br>
He didn?t authorized this kind of communication.<br>
<br>
<br>
Only the sender can tell from were the emails have been obtained, but in any case, it is an illegal action in many countries (personal data collection/proccesing without the owner authorization, ?and sending spam without previous and explicit consent).<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I?ve got also a handful of emails, in private, from other folks that have been in the same situation as Ahmed. I asked them to go to the list, because I need to respect their privacy if they don?t want to say.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Jordi<br>
<br>
@jordipalet<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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El 5/7/19 6:13, "Badru Ntege" <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>> escribi?:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Jordi <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Curious to know the end in mind with your question?? Please elucidate<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
BN<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Reply-To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
Date: Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 12:11 PM<br>
To: Ahmed Fadl <<a href="mailto:ahmed.fadl@57357.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ahmed.fadl@57357.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections<br>
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<br>
<br>
Hi Ahmen,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I mean before getting the email advertisings the candidates, have you personally provided your email to Wafa?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Jordi<br>
<br>
@jordipalet<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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El 4/7/19 10:06, "Ahmed Fadl" <<a href="mailto:ahmed.fadl@57357.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ahmed.fadl@57357.org</a>> escribi?:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Hi Jordi <br>
<br>
Already my mail provided for all community members<br>
<br>
Thank you <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ [mailto:<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>] <br>
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 10:00 AM<br>
To: Ahmed Fadl <<a href="mailto:ahmed.fadl@57357.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ahmed.fadl@57357.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Hi Ahmed,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Can you confirm if you have provided your email to Wafa and if that?s the case, if it was for discussing about candidates?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Jordi<br>
<br>
@jordipalet<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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El 4/7/19 9:32, "Ahmed Fadl" <<a href="mailto:ahmed.fadl@57357.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ahmed.fadl@57357.org</a>> escribi?:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thank you Sami for your introduction<br>
<br>
Let me also introduce myself <br>
<br>
My name is Ahmed Fadl, I?m working in healthcare nonprofit organization called children cancer hospital Egypt (57357), it is curing our patients with free of charge, my role is healthcare applications director.<br>
<br>
Our hospital is one of the biggest hospital in the world in this specializations.<br>
<br>
Also I?m responsible for the IP pools of our organization so I joined Afrinic community.<br>
<br>
My point from my mail is we have to know the plan and strategy for every person before we vote for them.<br>
<br>
I noticed that all the list by Wafaa from the same region why? I don?t know <br>
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The characteristics of the board members should include diversification because we need all Africa regions to take all benefits and increase all regions knowledge and skills.<br>
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This is what I mean by my mail.<br>
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Finally welcome everyone has good plan for developing my country and all African countries.<br>
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Also all respect for community members.<br>
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Thank you <br>
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From: Sami Salih [mailto:<a href="mailto:sami.salih@outlook.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sami.salih@outlook.com</a>] <br>
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 6:14 AM<br>
To: Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>; Ahmed Fadl <<a href="mailto:ahmed.fadl@57357.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ahmed.fadl@57357.org</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a>; wafa Dahmani <<a href="mailto:wafatn7604@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">wafatn7604@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections<br>
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I hope you reply Ahmed, since we have very bad experience with unknown fellows who come once to raise suspicious issue then disappear !<br>
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Looking for your positive continuous engagement.<br>
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From: Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">noah@neo.co.tz</a>><br>
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 1:41 AM<br>
To: Ahmed Fadl<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a>; wafa Dahmani<br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections <br>
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Dear Ahmed<br>
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First and foremost, welcome on-board this community mailing list since I am seeing you post for the first time ever and I hope you will continue to engage in various discussions as a member of the community now.<br>
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So, I have been catching up with email and I would like to also contribute to the discussion by stating a few things in reference to people being biased in general.<br>
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Let me introduce myself first. I personally work for AS37100 a member of AfriNIC, I was popularly elected by the community as a volunteer to the AfriNIC ASO - AC and my term ends next year in 2020, I am a secretary general of an ISP association in my country of residence, and I am generally involved within the AFRICAN internet community as a volunteer with various non-profit organizations because voluntary work is fulfilling. However, whatever I say here often is from a personal point of view unless I state otherwise.<br>
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I am telling you all this because, with all my years of engagement in this community, I have always spoken in my own personal capacity that is why I use my own personal email address. Nothing I say is ever a representation of any of the organization I am affiliated with, though so often, my affiliations have been used by some members of this community to attack my personal character, sometime as far as going after my employment just because of my personal views on various matters pertaining the African Internet Community. What I am trying to say is that, Wafa as a community member, just like me, so often speaks on her own personal capacity and I believe she has since clarified this to you and the community. <br>
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Therefore, I doubt its "bias"as you put it ...... and my view of that email from her to you is basically an elections campaign for a candidate and candidates of her choice and in the end, her efforts seems to have paid off as some of the candidate she was supporting for the Northern Africa seat Dr.Habib ended up getting the highest votes ever of all candidates in the entire board elections. I was on the ground in Kampala and Habib did well also in terms of campaigning, so did other candidates and I can understand why he was Wafa's choice and and her strategy for the Northern Africa candidate for board election did indeed work. That is what good mobilization in campaigns does.<br>
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In fact just in the same elections, there was a very well coordinated campaign that involved among other things, mudslinging of a specific candidate by some members of the various constituencies within the community and this also perfectly OK. Folks can go as far as using print media and sometime private lobbying through mailing lists and chat rooms. Its the nature of politicking and campaigns are tough and sometimes they get ugly, after all, not all candidates are supposed to be liked by the entire electorate yet politicking still goes on. This is basically pure politics 101 and its perfectly acceptable and normal and as they say, politics is part of daily life and so many of us in this community have been party to this and its nothing new. <br>
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I submit to you that, being a member of, say, the AfriNIC appeals committee, or ASO-AC or GC ...you name it, does not stop someone from having their own subjective views nor does it stop them from being involved in community politics at a personal level. Remember above and beyond, we are all part of the Internet community before our various affiliations and after being party to these affiliations, we continue to be members of the internet community and remain in this community. <br>
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What really matters is respect for each other and how we treat each other even when we disagree because in the end, its through this politics that we progress as we continue to individually contribute, improve and resolve some of our challenges.<br>
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Cheers and I look forward to more engagement with you Mr.Ahmed.<br>
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Noah<br>
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On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 2:17 PM Ahmed Fadl <<a href="mailto:ahmed.fadl@57357.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ahmed.fadl@57357.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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Hi Wafa,<br>
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Thanks for your email.<br>
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I, among other members of AFRINIC in Egypt, received the following email from you many times.<br>
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I wondered at that time why should I vote for these candidates specially for those in Eastern and Southern regions while each one was the sole candidate in his region. I quote this from your email "Ladies and Gentlemen, in the context of our strategy ...." what is your strategy and who are you ?<br>
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If you are talking about biasing the community, So, do you consider your email as a "member of the appeal committee; ASO / AC excom member and Ex Chair of Governance Committee '(GC) at AFRINIC." fall under what ?<br>
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I sent this mail many time but I don?t know why I can?t find this mail on community <br>
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Thanks,<br>
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Ahmed Fadl <br>
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From: wafa Dahmani [mailto:<a href="mailto:wafatn7604@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">wafatn7604@gmail.com</a>] <br>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 1:05 PM<br>
To: wafa Dahmani <<a href="mailto:wafatn7604@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">wafatn7604@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: AFRINIC Borad Elections<br>
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Dear,<br>
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My name is Wafa Dahmani from Tunisia, an active member of the African community and more specifically AFRINIC: member of the appeal committee; ASO / AC excom member and Ex Chair of Governance Committee '(GC) at AFRINIC.<br>
I contact you to solicit your votes for the following candidates:<br>
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Board of Directors:<br>
North Africa (seat 1)<br>
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? Habin Youssef<br>
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West Africa (seat 2)<br>
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? Ly Ousmane<br>
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South Africa (seat 5)<br>
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? Mpisane Vika William<br>
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East Africa (seat 6)<br>
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? Nkusi Robert Ford<br>
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Non-regional (seat 7)<br>
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? Eshun Benjamin Adzenyamebeye<br>
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Election Number Resource Organization Number Council<br>
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? Mustapha Ben Jemaa<br>
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Election Policy Development Working Group<br>
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? Komi Elitcha<br>
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? Sami Hassan<br>
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Election Governance Committee<br>
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? Daniel Nanghaka<br>
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Ladies and Gentlemen, in the context of our strategy and in order to preserve AFRINIC's interests for Africa and to be able to choose the right candidates for North Africa in the long term, it is desirable to join all our efforts and vote for these candidates who presents the best choice for an adequate board<br>
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the de facto vote online through your interface with AFRINIC is very simple for all categories except the policy development Working group where we want you to mobilize your teams on the spot to vote for our candidates<br>
We strongly solicit your support<br>
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Thank you<br>
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Wafa Dahmani<br>
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member AFRINIC Appeal Committee<br>
Global IGF MAG member<br>
ASO / AC excom member<br>
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Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2019 23:10:10 +0200<br>
From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
To: "<a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections<br>
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Hi Noah,<br>
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I just responded to a previous email on this.<br>
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The law is not about ?if you don?t like an email send it to the junk box?. The law is about protecting people privacy and emails are (in most of the countries in the world), personal data.<br>
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Nobody can use emails for a different purpose as the one they have been provided. Spam is not about ?repetitive? emails. Spam is ?any? single email that is not authorized, because you didn?t provided the email for that.<br>
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Saying ?send it to the junk box? is like saying a victim of rape (or whatever other crime), is your fault, you were on the wrong streeet on the wrong time, don?t go there.<br>
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I understand that in some countries this is not the law, but we should respect, when working in the Afrinic enviroment, the laws from Mauritious, which is one of the countries that has already agreed on those data protection regulations (GDPR).<br>
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El 5/7/19 10:51, "Noah" <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> escribi?:<br>
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On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 1:42 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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Hi Noah,<br>
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I?m sure we all have contacts from lots of people from the community, but we use those contacts for the reason they have been provided, is not lawful to use those for anything else.<br>
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I have sent some of my contacts an emails that were not related to the original reasons the email was provided for. I have received emails from my contacts and people who are not my contact. I even receive calls from people I don't know and who are not my in my mobile phone contact. If I found the email reasonable, I act on it otherwise I delete it, simple as that. If you don't like the email, send it to the SPAM/JUNK email, simple as that. If you don't like the phone call, drop it.<br>
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People share other peoples contacts email/phones and people ask other people about other peoples contacts. In my country, I even receive presidential campaign text messages and sometime from even member of parliament requesting for my vote in the national elections. Candidates and their supports always go so far in outreach activities in order to consolidate support from different constituencies for their preferred candidate and its the nature of political campaigns world over. <br>
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If the same email or call is made frequently, then that is a different story.<br>
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Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2019 23:13:29 +0200<br>
From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
To: "<a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections<br>
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Hi Alan,<br>
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If the board can't investigate that, we may have a problem, because Afrinic has to comply with GDPR.<br>
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I don't know if those emails come from whois or something else, but some logs may tell.<br>
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I my opinion it will be nicer to get a response from Wafa, and I'm sure the community will be happy to forgive her. My intent is not to punish anyone, just to make sure that we find solutions to possible problems and mistakes and avoid repeating them.<br>
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Jordi<br>
@jordipalet<br>
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?El 5/7/19 10:16, "Alan Barrett" <<a href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">alan.barrett@afrinic.net</a>> escribi?:<br>
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> On 3 Jul 2019, at 15:50, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I?m angrier about this as much as I think on it again.<br>
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> Can the board and the staff investigate this?<br>
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> Can all the people that got those emails confirm if they have provided voluntarily their emails or if they have participated in Afrinic lists, or if those emails are part of their Afrinic contacts, in order to understand if this personal data (emails are personal data), have been collected from Afrinic internal databases.<br>
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There is no reasonable way for AFRINIC staff to investigate whether the recipients had agreed to receive the messages sent by Wafa Dahmani. There is also no reasonable way for staff to investigate whether email addresses were collected from the public WHOIS database. There is no non-public AFRINIC database that could have been used.<br>
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Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2019 23:16:13 +0200<br>
From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
To: community-discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Lobbying Allegations against W<br>
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Hi Mirriam,<br>
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I don?t agree. The only way for organizations and communities to go forward is to find solutions to problems.<br>
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If we don?t do that now, we will forget about this for 1 year, and then the mistake will be repeated by someone else. Is that what we want or we prefer to find our way into our self-regulation to avoid repeating over and over mistakes?<br>
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El 5/7/19 14:46, "Mirriam via Community-Discuss" <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> escribi?:<br>
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Hi guys<br>
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So I have been following these discussions and what i have noted is, some community members accusing others for something they also do.<br>
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Wafa clarified earlier that she was lobbying in her personal capacity for her preferred candidates from Northern Africa and others. And Mr.Dewole was also lobbying for his preferred board candidates Seun and Adewale within Nigeria. And Andrew Alston was lobbying for his preferred board candidates Sunday, Haitham and Silber in the past elections. <br>
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Seems to me that different members from the community are also engaged in lobbying from what I have read with each individual stating their own reasons and plans why they prefer those candidates. <br>
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Elections are over. We should concentrate on other important issues and maybe every lobbyist out there can revisit their lobbying activities when election season opens again. <br>
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I don't see anything constructive from this discussion other than the fact that it has diverted attention from the email Wafa sent in an attempt to help new members of the community to get knowledge about the PDP .<br>
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As for Larus Foundation Fellowship issue which Wafa raised earlier before this confusion of lobbying, I think Afrinic needs to intervene since they run fellowship programs and show leadership so that the PDP is not abused further by other third parties. Third parties can directly work with Afrinic to remove doubt from the community.<br>
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On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 1:22 PM, Andrew Alston<br>
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 22:57:37 +0100<br>
From: Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>><br>
To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections<br>
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Jordi,<br>
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> On 5 Jul 2019, at 22:13, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi Alan,<br>
> <br>
> If the board can't investigate that, we may have a problem, because Afrinic has to comply with GDPR.<br>
> <br>
> I don't know if those emails come from whois or something else, but some logs may tell.<br>
<br>
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?may have a problem<br>
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?..I don?t know if those ..<br>
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Seems to me that you are fishing and stretching this a bit. What responsibilities would AFRINIC not have complied with in this case?<br>
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> <br>
> I my opinion it will be nicer to get a response from Wafa, and I'm sure the community will be happy to forgive her.<br>
<br>
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If anything, this business is between Wafa and the folks with whom she communicated. I don?t see how ?forgiveness? by the community comes in. <br>
<br>
> My intent is not to punish anyone, <br>
<br>
Even if it were, how would you punish anyone??<br>
<br>
> just to make sure that we find solutions to possible problems and mistakes and avoid repeating them.<br>
<br>
It is starting to look like you have more in mind than that.<br>
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Best wishes<br>
Omo<br>
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> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> Jordi<br>
> @jordipalet<br>
> <br>
> <br>
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> ?El 5/7/19 10:16, "Alan Barrett" <<a href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">alan.barrett@afrinic.net</a>> escribi?:<br>
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> <br>
> <br>
>> On 3 Jul 2019, at 15:50, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> I?m angrier about this as much as I think on it again.<br>
>> <br>
>> Can the board and the staff investigate this?<br>
>> <br>
>> Can all the people that got those emails confirm if they have provided voluntarily their emails or if they have participated in Afrinic lists, or if those emails are part of their Afrinic contacts, in order to understand if this personal data (emails are personal data), have been collected from Afrinic internal databases.<br>
> <br>
> There is no reasonable way for AFRINIC staff to investigate whether the recipients had agreed to receive the messages sent by Wafa Dahmani. There is also no reasonable way for staff to investigate whether email addresses were collected from the public WHOIS database. There is no non-public AFRINIC database that could have been used.<br>
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> Regards,<br>
> Alan Barrett<br>
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Message: 9<br>
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2019 00:01:57 +0200<br>
From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections<br>
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Hi Ommo,<br>
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Responding very shortly:<br>
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If the emails come from an internal Afrinic database (for example, membership), then the data protection regulations are not efficient.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
The nicer/faster solution is that Wafa tell us how the emails were collected, because if there is some unexpected ?open? database, we need to correct it.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Jordi<br>
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@jordipalet<br>
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El 5/7/19 23:57, "Omo Oaiya" <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>> escribi?:<br>
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Jordi,<br>
<br>
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On 5 Jul 2019, at 22:13, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Hi Alan,<br>
<br>
If the board can't investigate that, we may have a problem, because Afrinic has to comply with GDPR.<br>
<br>
I don't know if those emails come from whois or something else, but some logs may tell.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
?may have a problem<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
?..I don?t know if those ..<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Seems to me that you are fishing and stretching this a bit. What responsibilities would AFRINIC not have complied with in this case?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I my opinion it will be nicer to get a response from Wafa, and I'm sure the community will be happy to forgive her. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
If anything, this business is between Wafa and the folks with whom she communicated. I don?t see how ?forgiveness? by the community comes in. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
My intent is not to punish anyone, <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Even if it were, how would you punish anyone??<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
just to make sure that we find solutions to possible problems and mistakes and avoid repeating them.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
It is starting to look like you have more in mind than that.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Best wishes<br>
<br>
Omo<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Jordi<br>
@jordipalet<br>
<br>
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?El 5/7/19 10:16, "Alan Barrett" <<a href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">alan.barrett@afrinic.net</a>> escribi?:<br>
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<br>
<br>
<br>
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On 3 Jul 2019, at 15:50, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
I?m angrier about this as much as I think on it again.<br>
<br>
Can the board and the staff investigate this?<br>
<br>
Can all the people that got those emails confirm if they have provided voluntarily their emails or if they have participated in Afrinic lists, or if those emails are part of their Afrinic contacts, in order to understand if this personal data (emails are personal data), have been collected from Afrinic internal databases.<br>
<br>
<br>
There is no reasonable way for AFRINIC staff to investigate whether the recipients had agreed to receive the messages sent by Wafa Dahmani. There is also no reasonable way for staff to investigate whether email addresses were collected from the public WHOIS database. There is no non-public AFRINIC database that could have been used.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Alan Barrett<br>
<br>
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 23:06:58 +0100<br>
From: Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>><br>
To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections<br>
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> On 5 Jul 2019, at 23:01, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Hi Ommo,<br>
> <br>
> Responding very shortly:<br>
> <br>
> If the emails come from an internal Afrinic database (for example, membership), then the data protection regulations are not efficient.<br>
<br>
Perhaps you missed this?<br>
<br>
> <br>
> On 5 Jul 2019, at 09:13, Alan Barrett <<a href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">alan.barrett@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> There is no non-public AFRINIC database that could have been used.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> <br>
> The nicer/faster solution is that Wafa tell us how the emails were collected, because if there is some unexpected ?open? database, we need to correct it.<br>
> <br>
<br>
OK. Ask her nicely then. She might ?forgive? you and tell you.<br>
<br>
<br>
> Regards,<br>
> Jordi<br>
> <br>
> @jordipalet<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> El 5/7/19 23:57, "Omo Oaiya" <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>>> escribi?:<br>
> <br>
> Jordi,<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>> On 5 Jul 2019, at 22:13, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> Hi Alan,<br>
>> <br>
>> If the board can't investigate that, we may have a problem, because Afrinic has to comply with GDPR.<br>
>> <br>
>> I don't know if those emails come from whois or something else, but some logs may tell.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> ?may have a problem<br>
> <br>
> ?..I don?t know if those ..<br>
> <br>
> Seems to me that you are fishing and stretching this a bit. What responsibilities would AFRINIC not have complied with in this case?<br>
> <br>
>> <br>
>> I my opinion it will be nicer to get a response from Wafa, and I'm sure the community will be happy to forgive her. <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> If anything, this business is between Wafa and the folks with whom she communicated. I don?t see how ?forgiveness? by the community comes in. <br>
> <br>
>> My intent is not to punish anyone, <br>
> <br>
> Even if it were, how would you punish anyone??<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>> just to make sure that we find solutions to possible problems and mistakes and avoid repeating them.<br>
> <br>
> It is starting to look like you have more in mind than that.<br>
> <br>
> Best wishes<br>
> Omo<br>
> <br>
>> <br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> Jordi<br>
>> @jordipalet<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> ?El 5/7/19 10:16, "Alan Barrett" <<a href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">alan.barrett@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">alan.barrett@afrinic.net</a>>> escribi?:<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>>> On 3 Jul 2019, at 15:50, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I?m angrier about this as much as I think on it again.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Can the board and the staff investigate this?<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Can all the people that got those emails confirm if they have provided voluntarily their emails or if they have participated in Afrinic lists, or if those emails are part of their Afrinic contacts, in order to understand if this personal data (emails are personal data), have been collected from Afrinic internal databases.<br>
>> <br>
>> There is no reasonable way for AFRINIC staff to investigate whether the recipients had agreed to receive the messages sent by Wafa Dahmani. There is also no reasonable way for staff to investigate whether email addresses were collected from the public WHOIS database. There is no non-public AFRINIC database that could have been used.<br>
>> <br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> Alan Barrett<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 01:15:06 +0300<br>
From: Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">noah@neo.co.tz</a>><br>
To: Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections<br>
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On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 1:09 AM Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On 5 Jul 2019, at 23:01, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <<br>
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> Hi Ommo,<br>
><br>
> Responding very shortly:<br>
><br>
> If the emails come from an internal Afrinic database (for example,<br>
> membership), then the data protection regulations are not efficient.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Perhaps you missed this?<br>
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><br>
> On 5 Jul 2019, at 09:13, Alan Barrett <<a href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">alan.barrett@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> There is no non-public AFRINIC database that could have been used.<br>
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> The nicer/faster solution is that Wafa tell us how the emails were<br>
> collected, because if there is some unexpected ?open? database, we need to<br>
> correct it.<br>
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><br>
><br>
> OK. Ask her nicely then. She might ?forgive? you and tell you.<br>
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I doubt she will because Jordi (supposed champion of GDPR) seems to be<br>
attempting to harrass Wafa.<br>
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 23:40:14 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: Mirriam <<a href="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mirriamlauren@yahoo.com</a>><br>
To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>>, JORDI PALET<br>
MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>>,<br>
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Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Lobbying Allegations against W<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:1432884215.2265408.1562370014688@mail.yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">1432884215.2265408.1562370014688@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br>
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Hi Jordi<br>
I have already suggested a solution of AfriNIC taking a leadership role and providing a solution to the challenge presented by Larus Foundation a third party fellowship provider whose activities should be discouraged as they seem to undermine the Policy Development Process.<br>
Since Larus Foundation fellowship program is not popular within the community due to the issues raised by members of the community, my suggestion and I will repeat again, is that AFRINIC? takes a central role with matters related to fellowship. Larus Foundation is better of working with AfriNIC, if indeed they mean well for this community.?<br>
Only AfriNIC should be responsible for fellowship programs that are related to the AfriNIC PDP to avoid bias, influence and the undermining of the PDP.??<br>
Only AfriNIC can be transparent and? trusted to offer support and education to fellows about the PDP as well as being the main contact for any form of fellowship.<br>
This is how we can fix this issue.??Mirriam.<br>
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On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 12:16 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss<<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote: _______________________________________________<br>
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 23:40:14 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: Mirriam <<a href="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mirriamlauren@yahoo.com</a>><br>
To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>>, JORDI PALET<br>
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Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Lobbying Allegations against W<br>
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Hi Jordi<br>
I have already suggested a solution of AfriNIC taking a leadership role and providing a solution to the challenge presented by Larus Foundation a third party fellowship provider whose activities should be discouraged as they seem to undermine the Policy Development Process.<br>
Since Larus Foundation fellowship program is not popular within the community due to the issues raised by members of the community, my suggestion and I will repeat again, is that AFRINIC? takes a central role with matters related to fellowship. Larus Foundation is better of working with AfriNIC, if indeed they mean well for this community.?<br>
Only AfriNIC should be responsible for fellowship programs that are related to the AfriNIC PDP to avoid bias, influence and the undermining of the PDP.??<br>
Only AfriNIC can be transparent and? trusted to offer support and education to fellows about the PDP as well as being the main contact for any form of fellowship.<br>
This is how we can fix this issue.??Mirriam.<br>
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <br>
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On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 12:16 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss<<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote: _______________________________________________<br>
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Message: 14<br>
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 06:42:19 +0100<br>
From: Daniel Yakmut <<a href="mailto:yakmutd@googlemail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">yakmutd@googlemail.com</a>><br>
To: Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>>,<br>
Hago Dafalla <<a href="mailto:dafalla@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dafalla@yahoo.com</a>>, rpd <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>,<br>
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Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Letter of Appointment for Hago<br>
Dafalla<br>
Message-ID:<br>
<CAB3X6mcB=<a href="mailto:aJ8042kY2bnSqQBde94i32ezmJ2ox9D_sp2VGLY9Q@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">aJ8042kY2bnSqQBde94i32ezmJ2ox9D_sp2VGLY9Q@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
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I went online to the ICT foundation it seems Hago was just appointed as<br>
propagated everywhere.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
On Jul 5, 2019 10:03 AM, "Seun Ojedeji" <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
I have seen this same mail sent to many list, am not sure why this is<br>
relevant on any of the AFRINIC lists nor the other lists where I have seen<br>
it.<br>
<br>
In view of this I wonder if this is actually some form of spamming, perhaps<br>
Hago didn't send this<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Sent from my mobile<br>
Kindly excuse brevity and typos<br>
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On Thu, 4 Jul 2019, 17:02 Hago Dafalla via RPD, <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Dear Friends<br>
><br>
> I have been Appointment as a Regional Director for East Africa, for The<br>
> African ICT Foundation. Please find the attached Letter of Appointment for<br>
> your consideration. Attached is a press release for engagement.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Thanks<br>
><br>
> Hago Dafalla<br>
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 10:39:37 +0200<br>
From: Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mje@posix.co.za</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Lobbying Allegations against W<br>
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On 2019/07/06 01:40, Mirriam via Community-Discuss wrote:<br>
> Hi Jordi<br>
><br>
> I have already suggested a solution of AfriNIC taking a leadership <br>
> role and providing a solution to the challenge presented by Larus <br>
> Foundation a third party fellowship provider whose activities should <br>
> be discouraged as they seem to undermine the Policy Development Process.<br>
><br>
> Since Larus Foundation fellowship program is not popular within the <br>
> community due to the issues raised by members of the community, my <br>
> suggestion and I will repeat again, is that AFRINIC? takes a central <br>
> role with matters related to fellowship. Larus Foundation is better of <br>
> working with AfriNIC, if indeed they mean well for this community.<br>
<br>
I'm sorry - but what gives you the right to speak on my behalf? I'm <br>
happy with the Larus Foundation fellowship program. Sure, they could do <br>
better. So could you, it seems, as in I have never given my consent for <br>
you to speak on my behalf - please refrain from doing so.<br>
<br>
<br>
><br>
> Only AfriNIC should be responsible for fellowship programs that are <br>
> related to the AfriNIC PDP to avoid bias, influence and the <br>
> undermining of the PDP.<br>
><br>
> Only AfriNIC can be transparent and? trusted to offer support and <br>
> education to fellows about the PDP as well as being the main contact <br>
> for any form of fellowship.<br>
><br>
> This is how we can fix this issue.<br>
> Mirriam.<br>
><br>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <br>
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> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 12:16 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via<br>
> Community-Discuss<br>
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