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<p>Owen,<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 15/12/2018 à 02:39, Owen DeLong a
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<div class="">On Dec 14, 2018, at 16:01 , Komi Elitcha <<a
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<pre class="" wrap="">Larus is a resource holder like any other resource holder. The fact that
they are a large resource holder does not make them any worse or
better than any other resource holder, so I’m not sure why you believe
the number of IPv4 addresses they hold have any bearing on the
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<font class="" face="Lato">What make Larus singular is
that this organization through an LIR membership, holds
6 million IPv4 space, more IPv4 space than even
countries like Nigeria, Kenya and Algeria (*). The same
Larus has no real Internet infrastructure on-continent
nor any serious services being consumed by customers on
the continent.<br class="">
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If your statements are true (they aren’t),</div>
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<font face="Lato">You keep asking for evidence, but fail to prove
that the statements are false. These statements are based on
public data, and it looks like you don't really know your
"employer"'s IPv4 portfolio.</font><br>
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<div> then how did AfriNIC approve such numbers being issued?</div>
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<font face="Lato">I don't answer for AfriNIC staff, but community
trust AfriNIC to always make the right decisions when allocating
resources and also trust them, to do the due diligence to insure
usage are compliant, if not or if resources have been obtained
fraudulently, to act appropriately.</font><br>
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class="" face="Lato"> With NO network, lack of local
staff in Africa that could contribute to discussions on
Afrinic list or even attend AfriNIC meetings except the
known Individual based out of Africa.<br class="">
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Again, more assertions without evidence.</div>
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<font face="Lato">It should have been easy for Larus and its
employees to show evidence of network which matches the 6 million
addresses.<br>
What we see is just an LIR with huge IPv4 from AFRINIC, no ASN,
no IPv6, marketing IPv4 delegation services worldwide</font><br>
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class="" face="Lato"> Therefore besides contracting
individual mercenaries to visibly help protect and
defend the huge IPv4 pool it holds, by opposing the
review policy by all means, one would wonder what value
Larus really contributes to the AfriNIC community
besides sponsoring newbie students to interfere with
PDP.<br class="">
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OK… I get it that you don’t like Larus. Nonetheless, </div>
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<font face="Lato">it is not about "like" or not a resource member.
AFRINIC, LIRs and end-users members share same responsibilities on
good management of resources and must behave appropriately.</font><br>
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<div>While I have worked with Larus and I know that some of your
assertions don’t match reality,</div>
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<font face="Lato">Which assertions ?</font><br>
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<div> I am not bought and paid for</div>
<div>by Laurs and my opposition to the review policy has nothing
to do with their holdings or the fact that Larus also opposes
the review policy.</div>
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<div>My first work with Larus began shortly before the Dakar
meeting last June. You can review the record for yourself, you
will see that I have expressed objection to every version of the
review policy since its inception well before the Dakar meeting
and well before my having any connection whatsoever to Larus.</div>
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<font face="Lato">Why do you keep repeating this statement about
your work relationship to Larus?<br>
In our African culture, repeating statements like this, does show
that something is worrying you.<br>
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We know your record on “<b>vaporware</b>” till now...</font><br>
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class="" face="Lato"> That is where the problem lays…</font></div>
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This is where you think the problem lies.</div>
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<div>I think that your baseless accusations and your assumption
that Larus uses their addresses in violation of the policies
under which they were issued is part of where the problem lies.
I think that the single-minded pursuit of an agenda against a
single resource member by most of the proponents of this policy
is beginning to show this policy for what it truly is… An attack
on large resource members by another portion of the community.</div>
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<div>Larus is a convenient target, but they are not the only
opposition to the review policy.</div>
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<div>Multiple people with no association to Larus have expressed
opposition.</div>
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<div>Review the archives. While your above admission that Larus is
the main target of this policy is enlightening regarding the
motives of the proponents, the reality is that Larus is just one
of many organizations affiliated with voices opposing this
proposal.</div>
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<font face="Lato">The review policy proposal applies to all members
as stated clearly in the text. All AfriNIC members are supposed to
pass review or get help to improve usability. <br>
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Larus's behaviour in opposing the review proposal by all means,
only drag more attention to them!<br>
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Other objectors have brought relevant objections which were
discussed and addressed. We are only left with, objections like:<br>
- AFRINIC is just bookkeeper and has no right to review members<br>
- AFRINIC is a $4 million organization and will not stand in court
in front of big members<br>
- The review policy allow DDoS attacks from small members to the
big members<br>
- This policy is not needed as RSA already has provision for
review.<br>
- Members buy resources and AFRINIC can't recall them<br>
- etc….</font><br>
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