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> at times even blatant racism that occurs on this list - <br>
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Your statement above must be backed up with facts.<br>
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This is a serious matter and I called on board to deal with such an accusation with immediate and utmost urgency!
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 27, 2018 2:41:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Arnaud AMELINA<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] Raising concerns</font>
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<div style="direction:ltr">Arnaud,</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">To be frank - there are many lists that Afrinic is discussed on - NAP is one of them - because it contains a few hundred afrinic members - but it is not an “afrinic discussion list” in any way shape or form - it is an internet exchange
list for members of a particular exchange - just happens that sometimes Afrinic matters come up there.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">Quite frankly - I see it on many lists - people would rather discuss on other lists where they are not confronted with the vitriol and accusations and at times even blatant racism that occurs on this list - and they are free to do
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<div style="direction:ltr">This list is not exactly the most... welcoming to people who come here - the moment anyone posts a disagreement it gets personal and is full of ad hominem attacks and personalization, so, if we don’t want segments of this community
taking their issues off list - then this list needs to be a lot less hostile.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">And yes - I still oppose the review policy - because I still believe that the RSA covers what it needs to - and we do not need anything more - nor do I see a point in anything more. Especially something as what I still believe is
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<div style="direction:ltr">The specifics of the case I referred to in your quoted email were about someone who was openly and publically spamming people with an offer in contravention of adopter policy and hence the RSA - we don’t need the review policy to
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud@gmail.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 26, 2018 9:01:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] Raising concerns</font>
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Alan,<br>
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Sorry to say this - but - these questions - need to be asked and answered in front of the community - this community has a right to the answers.<br>
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Since you asked me for succinct questions though - I will ask them straight<br>
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a.) What is the board doing about the fact that the organisation cannot - by the bylaws - elect directors - and without elected directors cannot get quorum to host another AGMM - which is a ....<br>
i.) When will we be getting a response to the outcome of the investigation promised to myself and the members of the NAP list as regards a particular sale of IP space<br>
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<div>Hmmmm. Since when did the NAP list became a forum to discuss AFRINIC matters that the CEO commits to? A special list for a certain community? Double standards?</div>
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<div>Is he asking for investigation on allocated address space while he is strongly opposed to the review policy proposal? </div>
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<div>As discussed over and over, we are reaching a stage where review of resources usage and investigation when required has become critical to AFRINIC operation</div>
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I can keep going - but I think that is sufficient for now. <br>
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Alan - if asking questions is attacking people - then there is a problem - because if questions are asked by the members and there are no problems with the answers - there is nothing to feel attacked about. If however - you are saying that members must ask
their questions in the dark and out of sight of this community - you are again asking me to stay away from the precepts of transparency - and I cannot - and will not - do that.<br>
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The questions will continue - if not on the community list - then on the member list - if not on the members list - on other forums - I do not mind which - but - until AFRINIC is prepared to be the transparent organisation it claims to be - I will continue
to ask the public questions and stand by every single one of them.<br>
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