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<p>Hi Andrew,</p>
<p>Thanks for engaging on the list. I would want to mention one thing re: Service level. It would be fair also to Afrinic if we shared some stats rather than generalize, since I believe not all members have been fully let down by Afrinic. Maybe we need to know
what kind of commitment(SLA in hours) we have to open a case and to close in the event that clients respond in timely manner and with the requirements that Afrinic want shared then we review this going forward. If there is an issue there, then we may need
an explanation from Afrinic on what they require to improve, just the usual thing we do in our respective organizations in the event there is an employee who needs to be appraised.
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<p>Let us resolve these problems one by one and improve this AfriNic of ours. As always the grass looks greener on the other side of the fence. Let us fix this slowly and be patient with Afrinic. We can't start complaining now and expect results today. Let
us do these things in good faith.<br>
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<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Simom Mayoye<br>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 22 June 2018 09:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston; Saul Stein; S Moonesamy; community-discuss@afrinic.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting (off-topic)</font>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">Figured Id follow this up btw, because I thought to myself is that kinda time frame to process an application really that long in the context of what AFRINIC says delays applications.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">According to what has been said in the past publicly many applications are delayed because clients are slow in responding to requests for additional information. So I want to ask this what is done while staff are awaiting
for this documentation. Because if requests are being handled in parallel a delay per individual application should not actually result in the average processing times detailed below.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">So that doesnt hold water. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">So I was really curious lets look at going through the documentation based on a bit of homework the average person could read through The Bible cover to cover in 43.79 hours. The average person could read through
the entire Harry Potter series in roughly 60.23 hours. (Figures based on average reading speed)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">Now that would mean if I submitted a documentation pack as thick at the bible and while I realize that some of AFRINIC documentation requests (like asking for a list of 2 million domains in one case) may produce a truly
biblical amount of documentation that would still leave 50 odd hours to analyse the documentation and process the request. Things just dont add up here. Maybe we need Harry Potter to wave his wand to produce an end to an application and he's unavailable?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">Thanks</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">Andrew</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> 21 June 2018 16:51<br>
<b>To:</b> Saul Stein <saul@enetworks.co.za>; S Moonesamy <sm+afrinic@elandsys.com>; community-discuss@afrinic.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting (off-topic)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">I have to second this </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">In the past I have raised tickets and no Im in the mood to go digging back through mountains of emails to find them the ticket system should be able to find them and had no responses for ages.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">I also point out that there was an explicit problem reported to the board and the ceo about an investigation that was made by the South African ISP contingent on the NAP list a response was forthcoming to say it was
being investigated</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">Time frames have been requested nothing has come back no time frames no answers.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">This is a repetitive constant issue that I have seen raised time and again year after year. And I have to question what is going on here lets look at it realistically AfriNIC employs 9 people in Member Services (still
confuses me btw why the IT and engineering team is larger than the team that is meant to handle AfriNICs core business, because that currently sits at 10).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">I went and checked ipv4 allocation requests as per the delegation file going back to the beginning of the year
its now the 21<sup>st</sup> of June as I write that there have been 117 work days in Mauritius since the 1<sup>st</sup>
of January. Between 9 staff that equates to 1053 Man days at 8 hours a day thats 8424 man hours there have been 111 allocations made.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">That means your average turn around time in man hours to do one allocation is running to 75 hours per allocation or 9 days. AfriNIC has consistently stated that small allocations are generally very fast and can be
turned around in a day or two 25 of these allocations were /24s so lets say we allocate a full 16 hours to each of these allocations that would take 400 man hours your average for the rest of them is now sitting at 93 man hours per allocation considering
your average work week is 40 hours were talking about over 2 weeks per every allocation.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">Come on people no one can claim this is acceptable</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="">Andrew</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Saul Stein [<a href="mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za">mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 21 June 2018 16:18<br>
<b>To:</b> S Moonesamy <<a href="mailto:sm+afrinic@elandsys.com">sm+afrinic@elandsys.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting (off-topic)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear SM, <br>
This should all be in your ticketing system. Any respectable ticketing<br>
system should be able to report on calls that have taken longer than 3<br>
days to resolve.<br>
I could ask the South African ISPs to produce this list, however, and this<br>
is becoming the issue, what's the point? We, as a membership base have<br>
been complaining about this on the lists for some time and at the AGMMs.<br>
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People don't have the time to document every little thing that happens -<br>
it takes time away from them doing what they need to do to make the<br>
companies they work for functional.<br>
As mentioned, some gave up and went to RIPE - they won't have kept their<br>
ticket numbers...<br>
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Saul<br>
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From: S Moonesamy [<a href="mailto:sm+afrinic@elandsys.com">mailto:sm+afrinic@elandsys.com</a>]
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Sent: 21 June 2018 02:21 PM<br>
To: Saul Stein <<a href="mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za">saul@enetworks.co.za</a>>; <a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">
community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>
Subject: RE: [Community-Discuss] Cotonou Meeting (off-topic)<br>
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Hi Saul,<br>
At 03:44 AM 21-06-2018, Saul Stein wrote:<br>
>Every ISP that I have spoken to complains about the service levels to <br>
>the point that one or two actually got space from RIPE.<br>
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Can you please get me the ticket numbers, the dates of the complaints and<br>
the dates the complaints were resolved (if applicable)?<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
S. Moonesamy <br>
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