<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 7, 2018, at 08:36 , Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net" class="">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">There lies the fallacy in your interpretation and your presumption to speak for Ashok. </div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I do not speak for Ashok nor did I ever claim that I did. I do refer to Ashok’s own statements on the matter.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>There lies one of the many fallacies in your accusations.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Nowhere in our guidelines does it say that the “None of the Above” option receiving the plurality of the votes means a win in other than the case of a sole candidate. On the other hand, the guidelines clearly describe the procedure to take in the case of candidates with the highest votes in a category.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Sigh… Yes, this is the literal, however illogical interpretation which you have repeatedly put forward. As I said, it is a legitimate literal interpretation of the guidelines regardless of it’s complete and utter failure to provide a logical interpretation or conclusion given what the guidelines do say.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>There is the “letter of the law” literal exact word for word meaning, which, if taken to reductio ad absurdum does, in fact, leave one with your conclusion.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Then there is the “spirit of the law” which is the clear and only logical conclusion one can draw about the intent of the guidelines.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Ashok’s previous statements on the matter and the posted and announced election results are consistent with the “spirit of the law” in this case. I agree that the guidelines should be clarified so that the letter of the law more clearly states the spirit of the law and lessens the probability of these wasteful reductio ad absurdum arguments. I do not believe any change to the result of the election is warranted.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I speak only for myself here. Obviously others may be of a different opinion.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I believe a number of others have spoken in agreement with my interpretation of the situation. I believe a few others have spoken in agreement with your position, but even most of them have not advocated unwinding the election.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I’ve clearly stated multiple reasons that unwinding the election would be problematic and unfair to the voters in earlier messages. I won’t repeat that here.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class="">I still await the response from AFRINIC that clarifies this.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I suggest you refer back to Ashok’s previous comments which have done exactly that in terms of the current election.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>If you can’t find them, let me know and I will do the research for you.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Omo<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 7 Jun 2018, at 16:16, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class="">On Jun 7, 2018, at 07:45, Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net" class="">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote">On 7 June 2018 at 15:16, Owen DeLong <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" class="">owen@delong.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""></div><div class="">The result is not broken. The guidelines need to be improved to avoid the potential for the proposed alternate and illogical conclusion and provide greater clarity. </div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I marvel at your logic. The result was derived form same guidelines that have potential for illogical conclusion and insufficient clarity yet it is not broken? </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>There is one logical interpretation of the guidelines. The result is conformance to that interpretation. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There are alternative interpretations which meet the literal guidelines, but which come to illogical conclusions. Additional clarity in the guidelines could eliminate the possibility that those interpretations could be considered legitimate. </div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That can be achieved without further answers from board, legal, or CEO. I realize that doesn’t provide the outcome that those who proposed this illogical (albeit literal) alternative interpretation were hoping for, but it is the only rational outcome. </div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think you let the board, legal or CEO respond to this before AFRINIC is subjected to unneccessary legal exposure</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>I’ve done nothing to prevent them from responding. I’ve merely suggested that the community’s effort would be better spent improving the guidelines vs. whining about the current situation and asking board/CEO/legal to say more than has already been said by Ashok. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Omo</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div></font></span><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class="">On Jun 7, 2018, at 06:34, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Thu, 7 Jun 2018, 12:44 p.m. Ben Roberts, <<a href="mailto:Ben.Roberts@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank" class="">Ben.Roberts@liquidtelecom.com</a><wbr class="">> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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