<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">It seems the Registrar wants to be African too. Steffan has apologised for his faux-pas so this can die. Lesson to be learned by others who would rather tear down than build.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Omo<br class=""><div class=""> <br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 9 May 2018, at 05:09, Sami Salih <<a href="mailto:sami@tpra.gov.sd" class="">sami@tpra.gov.sd</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class=""></div><div class="">Andrew,<br class=""></div><div class="">Just reply because you ask, no one is pure we all have diversity and we happy to have that, you need to more self-reconciliation.</div><div class="">Even my self im happy to have half African half Arab.<div data-mce-style="clear: both;" style="clear: both;" class="">again, take it easy.<br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__" class=""><div data-marker="__HEADERS__" class=""><b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Sami Salih" <<a href="mailto:sami@tpra.gov.sd" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">sami@tpra.gov.sd</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Alan Barrett" <<a href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">alan.barrett@afrinic.net</a>>, "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">madomey@hotmail.com</a>>, "community-discuss" <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, May 9, 2018 3:03:42 PM<br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>RE: [Community-Discuss] Bad news<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Sami,</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Are you now implying that I am some how less African than you? Despite being raised in Africa, lived in Africa all my life and under African skies will I die?</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Your message implies that I am somehow not “A real African” – please can you clarify this?</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Andrew</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class=""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class=""> </span></p><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sami Salih [<a href="mailto:sami@tpra.gov.sd" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:sami@tpra.gov.sd</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>09 May 2018 14:56<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Alan Barrett <<a href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">alan.barrett@afrinic.net</a>>; Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">madomey@hotmail.com</a>>; community-discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Community-Discuss] Bad news</span></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Take it easy Mr. Alston</span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">In some African culture, satan is used as an adjective to describe some behavior, in is some cases it even has positive meaning, but you need to be real African to got the meaning.<br class="">please try to respect the diversity of the Africans, and don't always refer the the meanings used outside out continent.</span></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></p></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><hr id="zwchr" align="center" width="100%" size="3" class=""></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">"Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Alan Barrett" <<a href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">alan.barrett@afrinic.net</a>>, "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">madomey@hotmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"community-discuss" <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, May 9, 2018 2:42:47 PM<br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Community-Discuss] Bad news</span></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">I’m sorry Alan,</span><span style="" class=""></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""></span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">But I am nothing short of appalled that you can equate the sharing of what is VALID concern to this community and the RIR system – a situation that was created by AFRINIC – because no one else created it – with openly calling a member SATAN is just – absolutely mind blowing.</span><span style="" class=""></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""></span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Your message seems to imply that sharing legitimate concern and telling AFRINIC (referring to not just the corporate entity but the entire body, including this community) to get its act into gear is provocation that some how justifies calling someone SATAN</span><span style="" class=""></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""></span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">This is shocking</span><span style="" class=""></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""></span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Andrew</span><span style="" class=""></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""></span></p><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Alan Barrett [<a href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>09 May 2018 13:39<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">madomey@hotmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Community-Discuss] Bad news</span><span style="" class=""></span></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Dear Marcus, Dear Sander,<br class=""><br class="">In my opinion, the message from Marcus is a personal attack which is against the code of conduct. However, I understand that Marcus felt provoked by Sander’s message, which I think was unnecessary. (Both messages are copied below.)<br class=""><br class="">I ask you both to be more careful of what you post.<br class=""><br class="">Alan Barrett<br class="">CEO, AFRINIC<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">> On 9 May 2018, at 09:15, Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">madomey@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Sander,<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> I am not surprise you are that you are sharing the "BAD NEWS" about the mess you and your friends from RIPE and ARIN are causing in AfriNIC in Community. This is a clear evidence that you are deploying your strategy to destroy AfriNIC. This is wicked and would come from EVIL GUYS like you and your friends. Well, any search for SATAN should stop when you are met because there is no difference between you and SATAN. You shameless people, leave us (the sheep) alone for us to fix the mess you have created in this community. Disgraced bad guys from RIPE and ARIN community.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Marcus<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> From: Sander Steffann <<a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">sander@steffann.nl</a>><br class="">> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 6:50:38 AM<br class="">> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><br class="">> Subject: [Community-Discuss] Bad news<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Hello community,<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> I just noticed that the problems in Afrinic have reached the outside world beyond our community:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/08/afrinic_sexual_harassment/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/08/afrinic_sexual_harassment/</a><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> It makes me really sad. It also poses a great risk to the future of the bottom up self regulation system we (speaking of all the RIRs) have built. Afrinic must get its act together and show the world that it is a respectable, reliable and fair organisation with broad support from its members.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Cheers,<br class="">> Sander<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> _______________________________________________<br class="">> Community-Discuss mailing list<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Community-Discuss mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; 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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">--</span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><strong class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Dr. Sami Salih</span></strong><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> | Assistant Professor<br class=""></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: teal;" class="">Sudan University of Science and Technology</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407<br class="">email:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:sami.salih@sustech.edu" target="_blank" style="color: purple; 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