<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Roughly translated:<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>The ability of EU to inflict GDPR on those operators outside of EU is predicated on that operator</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>having some business operation or presence within the EU which allows them to subject you to their</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>jurisdiction. Determining that you have said presence requires a specific determination by the</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>EU member state where said presence exists.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m pretty sure AfriNIC has no such nexus.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">However, what is left out of Mike’s statement is the potential that any other country may have signed some</div><div class="">sort of treaty with the EU (or a member state) which subjects them to GDPR and/or grants additional</div><div class="">extraterritorial rights to the EU. Such is (unfortunately) the case with the US, for example.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Another key point is that EU citizens not living in Europe are not covered by GDPR. Non-EU citizens living</div><div class="">within the EU are covered by GDPR. (At least that is my understanding… AIUI, GDPR applies to EU residents,</div><div class="">not EU citizens.)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 11, 2018, at 06:44 , Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" class="">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="WordSection1"><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" class="">Thanks Mike,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" class="">That’s actually pretty useful in some sense – but can I ask for an English interpretation of the last sentence for those of us that sadly don’t speak Lawyer
</span><span style="font-family:"Apple Color Emoji";mso-fareast-language:EN-US" class="">☺</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" class="">Thanks<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" class="">Andrew<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm" class=""><div class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From: </span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Mike Silber <<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" class="">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Date: </b>Wednesday, 11 April 2018 at 16:34<br class="">
<b class="">To: </b>"Abibu R. Ntahigiye" <<a href="mailto:abibu@tznic.or.tz" class="">abibu@tznic.or.tz</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Cc: </b>Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" class="">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>, General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>>, AfriNIC Discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" class="">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Subject: </b>Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC and the GDPR<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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</div><div class="MsoNormal">If I can add to this, there is as yet no clear direction from the European DPAs as a collective on how GDPR affects whois access in general.
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<div class=""><div class="MsoNormal">The RIPE NCC approach is premised on their interactions with the Dutch DPA, rather than a Europe wide approach.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class=""><div class="MsoNormal">In addition, I am not sure I concur with Mr Alston’s insistence that “holding data of EU citizens” automatically places AfriNIC into the category of data controller in terms of GDPR or imposes any requirements on AfriNIC, particularly as
the GDPR applies to processing of personal data in the context of the activities of an establishment of a controller or a processor in the Union.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class=""><div class="MsoNormal">The extraterritorial application is premised on a nexus requirement set out in general terms in Recital 23, but requiring specific determination in terms of national law by Member States.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class=""><div class="MsoNormal">On 11 Apr 2018, at 13:36, Abibu R. Ntahigiye <<a href="mailto:abibu@tznic.or.tz" class="">abibu@tznic.or.tz</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">Dear Andrew, Members and the whole Afrinic community,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white;caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal;text-align:start;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">Andrew has raised a very important issue for Afrinic operations - Thanks so much Andrew.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white;caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal;text-align:start;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">The Board would like to inform you that the issue was discussed within the Board at the Afrinic 27 meeting in Lagos and the Management was tasked to work on the issue.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white;caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal;text-align:start;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">The Board has also been made aware that the Mauritius Data Protection Act 2017 is already in effect and is aligned with the EU GDPR regulations. The Board believes that these regulations are not
a barrier to publication of the WHOIS data, and it has noted the RIPE NCC study that made such a finding. The Board further believes that the biggest changes required by AFRINIC are in documenting how personal data is used, and in informing people at the
time data is collected.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white;caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal;text-align:start;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">The AFRINIC management will provide further updates on the issues at AIS 2018 in Senegal.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;background:white" class="">Further to the above, the Board expects to receive more insights on GDPR related issues at the joint Boards (AfriNIC and RIPE NCC) meeting planned in Senegal.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class=""><br class="">
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">On 11/04/2018 08:42, Andrew Alston wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">Can this board please *<b class="">urgently</b>* inform this community as to what preparations they have made as regards to compliance with the General Data Protection Regulations passed by the European Commision and the
board will be in a position to give this community a full and complete report as to their GDPR compliance status and what will be changing before the 25<sup class="">th</sup><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>of May to ensure that when the GDPR comes into
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">Considering that the regulation comes into force on the 25<sup class="">th</sup><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>of May 2018 – and AfriNIC is 100% holding data of EU Citizens, which makes them subject to the regulations
irrespective of the fact that they are domiciled in Mauritius – this is an urgent and critical issue. It has direct impact on the whois database, abuse contact information, handling of data submitted during application process and potentially even the proposed
review policy, just to name a few things that I can think of off the top of my head – and cannot be ignored. I would in fact have liked to have seen discussions by the board in the minutes that have been published about the GDPR long before now – considering
the impact – but failing that – the question is now being asked.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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