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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Owen,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Would the fact that AfriNIC
</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">serves </span><span style="color:#222222;background:white"> </span><span style="background:white">La Réunion</span> and Mayotte not create such a nexus since both are formally part of the EU?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In the same way – there are various EU members served by ARIN?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Owen DeLong [mailto:owen@delong.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> 11 April 2018 17:12<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mike Silber <silber.mike@gmail.com>; Abibu R. Ntahigiye <abibu@tznic.or.tz>; General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net>; AfriNIC Discuss <members-discuss@afrinic.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC and the GDPR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>The ability of EU to inflict GDPR on those operators outside of EU is predicated on that operator<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>having some business operation or presence within the EU which allows them to subject you to their<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>jurisdiction. Determining that you have said presence requires a specific determination by the<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>EU member state where said presence exists.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m pretty sure AfriNIC has no such nexus.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, what is left out of Mike’s statement is the potential that any other country may have signed some<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">sort of treaty with the EU (or a member state) which subjects them to GDPR and/or grants additional<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">extraterritorial rights to the EU. Such is (unfortunately) the case with the US, for example.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Another key point is that EU citizens not living in Europe are not covered by GDPR. Non-EU citizens living<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">within the EU are covered by GDPR. (At least that is my understanding… AIUI, GDPR applies to EU residents,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">That’s actually pretty useful in some sense – but can I ask for an English interpretation of the last sentence for those of us that sadly don’t speak Lawyer
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Mike Silber <<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 11 April 2018 at 16:34<br>
<b>To: </b>"Abibu R. Ntahigiye" <<a href="mailto:abibu@tznic.or.tz">abibu@tznic.or.tz</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>, General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>>, AfriNIC Discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC and the GDPR</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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the GDPR applies to processing of personal data in the context of the activities of an establishment of a controller or a processor in the Union.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 11 Apr 2018, at 13:36, Abibu R. Ntahigiye <<a href="mailto:abibu@tznic.or.tz">abibu@tznic.or.tz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dear Andrew, Members and the whole Afrinic community,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Andrew has raised a very important issue for Afrinic operations - Thanks so much Andrew.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The Board would like to inform you that the issue was discussed within the Board at the Afrinic 27 meeting in Lagos and the Management was tasked to work on the issue.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The Board has also been made aware that the Mauritius Data Protection Act 2017 is already in effect and is aligned with the EU GDPR regulations. The Board believes that these regulations are not
a barrier to publication of the WHOIS data, and it has noted the RIPE NCC study that made such a finding. The Board further believes that the biggest changes required by AFRINIC are in documenting how personal data is used, and in informing people at the
time data is collected.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The AFRINIC management will provide further updates on the issues at AIS 2018 in Senegal.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">Can this board please *<b>urgently</b>* inform this community as to what preparations they have made as regards to compliance with the General Data Protection Regulations passed by the European Commision and the
board will be in a position to give this community a full and complete report as to their GDPR compliance status and what will be changing before the 25<sup>th</sup><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>of May to ensure that when the GDPR comes into
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irrespective of the fact that they are domiciled in Mauritius – this is an urgent and critical issue. It has direct impact on the whois database, abuse contact information, handling of data submitted during application process and potentially even the proposed
review policy, just to name a few things that I can think of off the top of my head – and cannot be ignored. I would in fact have liked to have seen discussions by the board in the minutes that have been published about the GDPR long before now – considering
the impact – but failing that – the question is now being asked.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">Abibu R. Ntahigiye</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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