<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">You are both entitled to your opinion. I don’t agree with Marcus’ interpretation of my actions or my motivations, but I see little point in dignifying either with a blow-by-blow accounting of where they diverge from reality.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 25, 2018, at 05:42 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif" class="">Owen,</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif" class="">On this one I agree with Marcus and Badru.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif" class="">Just to add also that occassional advice which mean good from community folks from outside the region is welcome but with caustion. I have seen folks send emails with rather sarcastic wikipedia references which are pointless.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif" class="">But different folks based on culture handle things differently. </div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif" class="">Take forexample USA, it would take a leader who has been accused of forexample any form of harrasment less than 24hrs to step aside with dignity. People dont just wake up in the morning and accuse others if there is no some serious reason and sometimes you find someone has been undergoing some sort of abuse for a while and they reach a point where they cant deal anymore and they voice out.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Anyways, what we are trying to say is, guests should not play kind, especially when there are wrong doings which may affect culture and people from a specific region. </div></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif" class="">Noah</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Sun, 25 Mar 2018, 1:17 p.m. Marcus K. G. Adomey, <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" class="">madomey@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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that we should be circumspect with what we post on our mailing list. Unfortunately, your behavior on the mailing list is other way.
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the best you could do is to insult the one who posed the question. Is this mental indiscipline part of the so call “rich experience” you have? Whichever way, please we don’t need it. Keep it to yourself because it is disgusting.
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<div class="">I like your attempt to get scientific here. Up until a certain email was publicly shared and read by most of us who are responding we had no opinions on this issue. </div>
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<div class="">We are all reasonably intelligent to make our own conclusions on the matter at hand. </div>
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<div class="">In any part of the world it is not normal nor is it accepted for a board member to share the information we saw shared with a junior member of staff which definitely undermines the authority of the CEO. </div>
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<div class="">On that count alone ignoring the many other issues one ceases to be fit for office. Apart from in our region where we are now being convinced that we need to spend money to prove a simple fact like that. </div>
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<div class="">Even if I ignore all other issues being pointed to the person in question. </div>
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<div class="">We are now in a situation where the likes of you are trying to tell us that we need to re-write our basic understanding of right and wrong. </div>
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<div class="">Yes investigate the other claims but someone admitted to wrong doing and we are saying thanks for admitting and for your service but it’s time we move forward with new people while you handle your other issues and we wish you well. </div>
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<div class="">Your attempt to read my email in other ways and calling our reaction as “mob mentality” is insulting to say the least. </div>
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<div class="">I have said it before and I will say it again here you seem to want us in Afrinic to accept things that no other RIR would ever accept. And that continues to puzzle me to this day. </div>
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On 23 Mar 2018, at 23:52, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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Again, this is also not quite true. Some members of the community are saying this, but no objective deterministic research has been presented showing that this position is held by a majority of the community.</div>
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Some members of the community are saying this. Other members are calling for a rational approach to a valid and fair investigation and due process.</div>
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This is simply sensationalism which has no legitimate place in the discussion. Nobody is being held hostage. I realize that it is popular to use this term as rhetoric in AfriNIC discussions, but really, there are no prisoners here. There are no hostages. The
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<div class="">Mr.Masilela Lucky</div>
<div class="">Mr.Abibu Ntagihiye</div>
<div class="">Mr.Bope Christian</div>
<div class="">Mr.Ilunga Serge</div>
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