<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-03-20 10:17 GMT+00:00 Boubakar Barry <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:boubakarbarry@gmail.com" target="_blank">boubakarbarry@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><p class="m_1424589722435077543gmail-MsoNormalCxSpMiddle"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-US">The fact that two members of the
then board who are still serving in the board (at the highest positions as
Chair and Vice-Chair) are now subject to grave allegations suggests that it
should have been better that the whole board stepped down in Tunis. This would
have saved us three precious years for reconstructing our organization.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Hindsight is 20/20 and often very often wrong because we do not have any DATA to back our wishes against. No matter ... you may not like them, but they were VOTE in by the membership. That how democracy work.</div><div><br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><p class="m_1424589722435077543gmail-MsoNormalCxSpMiddle"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-US"><span></span></span></p>
<p class="m_1424589722435077543gmail-MsoNormalCxSpMiddle"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-US">Shall we continue to address serious
leadership issues of our organization lightly? If we do so, AfriNIC will soon
collapse. Reviewing the processes of board members selection, board leadership
selection as well as board members performance assessment should be a matter of
priority.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>You forget the CRITICAL thing that matter most. Informed and active members and community. A good democracy don't work without engage and intelligent and active citizenship. Same thing apply here.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><p class="m_1424589722435077543gmail-MsoNormalCxSpMiddle"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-US"><span></span></span></p>
<p class="m_1424589722435077543gmail-MsoNormalCxSpMiddle"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-US">While the grave allegations against the
board members and senior AfriNIC staff do not automatically mean that they are
guilty, good governance and leadership practice commands that the accused board
members step down and the concerned staff be suspended with full pay, pending
the outcome of an investigation by an independent committee.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>For board, where prove actually exists --- they should step down. Where it is unproved, they don't need to. That how you open system to abuse - make allegation against board member and take them down.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>For staff , if one must ... the SUSPEND BOTH THE ACCUSER AND ACCUSED PERSON.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>And i will even add that should allegation be prove false .... fire the the accuser. </div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><p class="m_1424589722435077543gmail-MsoNormalCxSpMiddle"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-US"><span></span></span></p>
<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-US">I urge them to take the wise decision needed
here, for the sake of the image of our organization and its future.</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Let us be mature and follow process. The process right now lies with goverance committee etc. etc.</div><div><br></div><div>Until their next communique that tells us next step, people who claim to be leaders must show leadership and that start with affirmation of basic principe that: EVERYONE IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVE GUILTY!!</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-US"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial" lang="EN-US">Boubakar<br></span></font></span><div><div class="h5"> <br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 5:03 AM, Badru Ntege <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>To most people these are issues key to the organization. There has also been reference to elders else where. Yes I know the Genesis of this and beleive if we do not put appropriate pressure now to the relevant stakeholders it would be a disservice
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<div>Nothing new apart from the community outcry emerged before chair did the needful. </div>
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<div>I Do not understand and I may never understand those who wish members to keep silent when we put up the mailing list for them to share their views about their organization </div>
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<p><span style="color:black">Especially for the fact that the guys talking here are supposed to be elders in this community (ex-board members), the discussion is giving some of us a lot of heart ache when you see elders heating
up the polity. The question is how did we get here as a community? The GC should do the needful asap get to the root of this unfortunate and disgraceful situation and let all found guilty be dealt with appropriately in the meantime everyone should be at peace
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