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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Unfortunately – it seems we are having in an era of silence these days from our elected representatives – and when responses do come – they are extremely delayed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I really am curious to see the amount of money spent on travel (in particular board travel) in the next release of the financials – because I’m interested if there is so little time to
answer the community because the board members are busy flying around to conferences that we never seen any feedback or reports from.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I asked on this list before if the board would consent to providing a community report for each board trip taken and paid for with our money – that query – never got answered either – and
I’m not holding my breath.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I guess we just have to wait till next year to roll around and speak with the ballot – maybe that voice will get heard – though I suspect that the entire board will suddenly become massively
active right before the election and we’ll get pretty prompt responses as people start looking for votes… same thing you see with politicians who disappear right after elections until the time they need your votes again….<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Sunday, 8 October 2017 at 15:37<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Community, hope this meets everyone well. I had written a mail on Friday the 06th but you all seem mute about it and no reply or response. You all seem to overlook as if nothing. It is well. I believe you all have conscience..<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 12:56:26 +0000<br>
From: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com><br>
To: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan@gmail.com>, General Discussions of<br>
AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net><br>
Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board@afrinic.net><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions<br>
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Sunday,<br>
<br>
Firstly, thank you for agreeing to the investigation - we will await regular progress reports.<br>
<br>
Secondly - to say that the board was unware of the fact that I was referring to competitions issues - is disingenuous in my view.<br>
<br>
I point to an email on the 12/07/2017 sent to the RPD list - which clearly and demonstrably makes reference to the competitions act - and to which I got replies.<br>
<br>
The questions I asked are extremely easy to correlate between that email and the email asking the formal questions - Let me quote from aspects of that email:<br>
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1. It is fact that the prices per annum paid to AfriNIC by larger members are multiple times higher than what they are in certain other registries (there is a price differential of in excess of 20 times between AFRINIC and another registry in certain categories)<br>
2. The lack of a bi-directional cross-regional transfer policy puts AfriNIC at direct risk of being in potential violation of the competitions act of 2007 - since AFRINIC is in effect forcing its members to remain using it - and paying the prices which they
insist on and which the members have no control over<br>
3. The fact that other RIR's DO permit members from other regions to inbound transfer space means that there is choice - and the members of AFRINIC are being held to ransom through the lack of a transfer policy<br>
4. The argument that the PDP has not granted a transfer policy does not grant the company, or the board, immunity from acting within the bounds of the law in the area in which it is domiciled.<br>
5. The board - as the effective "owners" of the company - have the power implement a transfer policy - because irrespective of what the bylaws say - as the sole members of the legal entity that is AFRINIC and as directors - the power DOES reside with them.<br>
6. The implementation of any policy that could result in the revocation of resources while AFRINIC is continuing to act as a de-facto monopoly that is already possibly in direct violation of the competitions act would be shear insanity, since it FORCE entities
into a position where they either spend a TON of money complying with audits which may or may not be justified - or lose those resources - with no ability to transfer the hell out.<br>
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Basically - what I am saying is - while the competitions aspects have never been tested in a court - and actually in Mauritius - never need to be tested in a manner that costs anything or involves lawyers - because of the way their competitions tribunal works
that aspect, when combined with this policy, create a perfect storm that I honestly believe would destroy afrinic.<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
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From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com]<br>
Sent: 05 October 2017 19:42<br>
To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net><br>
Cc: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board@afrinic.net><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions<br>
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Dear Mr Alston,<br>
<br>
I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting in November, without access to the Internet.<br>
<br>
On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied that we could see no issues with the absence of
a policy, and we could not answer for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't think it's appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now clarified that you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We hope you will help the
Board maximize the use of her time in future.<br>
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Having said that, the Board will commission an investigation into the implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know
how long the investigation will take.<br>
<br>
Kind Regards ..<br>
<br>
Sunday.<br>
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On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote:<br>
Dear Board,<br>
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Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this?<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
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From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com]<br>
Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27<br>
To: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan@gmail.com><mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com><br>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net><mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board@afrinic.net><mailto:board@afrinic.net><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions<br>
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Dear Board, Sunday,<br>
<br>
I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this?<br>
<br>
I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments.<br>
<br>
I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii - which
states that this board must disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication for the members.<br>
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Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of the companies act - particularly about directors
acting in good faith - but then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road before as well.<br>
<br>
Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them - maybe it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this communities money on flying around the world
for a week or two per board member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board?<br>
<br>
It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not
once, but twice.<br>
<br>
If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward - get elected - and take the job.<br>
<br>
Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before)<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
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From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com]<br>
Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08<br>
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>><br>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board@afrinic.net<mailto:board@afrinic.net>><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions<br>
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Dear Mr Alston,<br>
<br>
2nd October 2017.<br>
<br>
Thanks and Regards ...<br>
<br>
Sunday.<br>
On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote:<br>
Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original expiry date 10 days ago?<br>
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Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers
you committed to, so let's avoid any ambiguity here - can we have a date please<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
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From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com]<br>
Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52<br>
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com><mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com><br>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net><mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board@afrinic.net><mailto:board@afrinic.net><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions<br>
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Dear Mr Alston,<br>
<br>
Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions.<br>
<br>
The response is pending the final consideration of the Board.<br>
<br>
I will appreciate an extension of two weeks.<br>
<br>
With kind regards ...<br>
<br>
Sunday Folayan.<br>
On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote:<br>
Dear Sunday and Board of Directors,<br>
<br>
It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline they themselves set with no explanation to the
community who is waiting for answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing.<br>
<br>
I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board who promised such.<br>
<br>
Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community that are clearly stated below?<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
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From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com]<br>
Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54<br>
To: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan@gmail.com><mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com><br>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net><mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board@afrinic.net><mailto:board@afrinic.net><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions<br>
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Dear Sunday, Board of Directors.<br>
<br>
As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - this is now 3 days overdue.<br>
<br>
Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will be met?<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
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From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com]<br>
Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03<br>
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>><br>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board@afrinic.net<mailto:board@afrinic.net>><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions<br>
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<br>
Dear Mr Alston,<br>
<br>
Thank you very much for your email and questions.<br>
<br>
The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days.<br>
<br>
Regards ...<br>
<br>
Sunday.<br>
<br>
On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote:<br>
Dear AfriNIC Board,<br>
<br>
I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests<br>
<br>
<br>
1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what the potential liability is.<br>
2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded advise the community of the full results
of said investigation<br>
3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings shall be published as per the agreement to
publish the minutes of board meetings.<br>
4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a contract be changed without the consent
of both parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what is already signed)<br>
5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate if there are any policies, procedures
or committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of outstanding
policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to rectify these areas.<br>
<br>
<br>
I look forward to hearing the results of the above.<br>
<br>
Many Thanks<br>
<br>
Andrew Alston<br>
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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 15:29:23 +0100<br>
From: kutestface@gmail.com<br>
To: community-discuss@afrinic.net<br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225,<br>
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Hello All, great work you guys are doing out there, however, I had written earlier to ?fellowship@afrinic.net on the 27th of September and 03rd of December 2017 with no reply till date and below the details:<br>
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Dear Afrinic-27, thanks so much for this opportunity, however, I noticed from the published lists, no NIgerian was selected even after the mail I got for contact as a fellow. I also noticed that my mail on the 27th hasn't been replied to. May I know what's
really is going on. Thanks so much as I await a favorable reply/response.<br>
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On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:40 AM, wales nwelih <wnwelih@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
Hello Afrinic, I hope this meets you all well. I checked your website as published that (Final Announcement and Publication of Fellow list 26th September 2017 but have not seen anything yet. I used this website to check -
<a href="https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-27/">
https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-27/</a><br>
I hope I am on the right track. Thanks and awaiting your response.<br>
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Mail I got from them on the 11th of September...?<br>
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On behalf of the AFRINIC-27 fellowship selection committee, we would like to thank you for your interest in attending the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos - Nigeria.<br>
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Note that this meeting *is free of charge*, and as citizen of Nigeria you can attend by registering online at: AFRINIC_27_MEETING<br>
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You can stay informed with updates and the latest news about AFRINIC 27 via our discussion lists, Facebook (<a href="https://www.facebook.com/afrinic">https://www.facebook.com/afrinic</a>) and on Twitter (<a href="http://twitter.com/afrinic">http://twitter.com/afrinic</a>).
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 14:43:13 +0000<br>
From: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com><br>
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>, Sunday Folayan<br>
<sfolayan@gmail.com><br>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net>,<br>
AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board@afrinic.net><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions<br>
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Dear Board,<br>
<br>
Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this?<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
<br>
From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com]<br>
Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27<br>
To: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan@gmail.com><br>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board@afrinic.net><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions<br>
<br>
Dear Board, Sunday,<br>
<br>
I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this?<br>
<br>
I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments.<br>
<br>
I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii - which
states that this board must disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication for the members.<br>
<br>
Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of the companies act - particularly about directors
acting in good faith - but then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road before as well.<br>
<br>
Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them - maybe it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this communities money on flying around the world
for a week or two per board member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board?<br>
<br>
It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not
once, but twice.<br>
<br>
If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward - get elected - and take the job.<br>
<br>
Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before)<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com]<br>
Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08<br>
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>><br>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board@afrinic.net<mailto:board@afrinic.net>><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions<br>
<br>
<br>
Dear Mr Alston,<br>
<br>
2nd October 2017.<br>
<br>
Thanks and Regards ...<br>
<br>
Sunday.<br>
On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote:<br>
Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original expiry date 10 days ago?<br>
<br>
Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers
you committed to, so let's avoid any ambiguity here - can we have a date please<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
<br>
From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com]<br>
Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52<br>
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com><mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com><br>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net><mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board@afrinic.net><mailto:board@afrinic.net><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions<br>
<br>
<br>
Dear Mr Alston,<br>
<br>
Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions.<br>
<br>
The response is pending the final consideration of the Board.<br>
<br>
I will appreciate an extension of two weeks.<br>
<br>
With kind regards ...<br>
<br>
Sunday Folayan.<br>
On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote:<br>
Dear Sunday and Board of Directors,<br>
<br>
It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline they themselves set with no explanation to the
community who is waiting for answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing.<br>
<br>
I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the board who promised such.<br>
<br>
Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community that are clearly stated below?<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
<br>
From: Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com]<br>
Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54<br>
To: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan@gmail.com><mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com><br>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net><mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board@afrinic.net><mailto:board@afrinic.net><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions<br>
<br>
Dear Sunday, Board of Directors.<br>
<br>
As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - this is now 3 days overdue.<br>
<br>
Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made will be met?<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
<br>
From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com]<br>
Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03<br>
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>><br>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board@afrinic.net<mailto:board@afrinic.net>><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions<br>
<br>
<br>
Dear Mr Alston,<br>
<br>
Thank you very much for your email and questions.<br>
<br>
The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days.<br>
<br>
Regards ...<br>
<br>
Sunday.<br>
<br>
On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote:<br>
Dear AfriNIC Board,<br>
<br>
I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests<br>
<br>
<br>
1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what the potential liability is.<br>
2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded advise the community of the full results
of said investigation<br>
3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings shall be published as per the agreement to
publish the minutes of board meetings.<br>
4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a contract be changed without the consent
of both parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what is already signed)<br>
5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate if there are any policies, procedures
or committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of outstanding
policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to rectify these areas.<br>
<br>
<br>
I look forward to hearing the results of the above.<br>
<br>
Many Thanks<br>
<br>
Andrew Alston<br>
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General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)<br>
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16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria<br>
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Managing Director<br>
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General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)<br>
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16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria<br>
<br>
Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523<br>
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Managing Director<br>
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General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)<br>
<br>
16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria<br>
<br>
Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523<br>
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 17:41:48 +0100<br>
From: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan@gmail.com><br>
To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net><br>
Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board@afrinic.net><br>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions<br>
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Dear Mr Alston,<br>
<br>
I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from <br>
the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting <br>
in November, without access to the Internet.<br>
<br>
<br>
On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation <br>
into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer <br>
policy had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied <br>
that we could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could <br>
not answer for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't <br>
think it's appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now <br>
clarified that you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We <br>
hope you will help the Board maximize the use of her time in future.<br>
<br>
Havingsaid that, the Board will commission an investigation into the <br>
implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, <br>
with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 <br>
October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the <br>
investigation will take.<br>
<br>
Kind Regards ..<br>
<br>
Sunday.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote:<br>
><br>
> Dear Board,<br>
><br>
> Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this?<br>
><br>
> Andrew<br>
><br>
> *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com]<br>
> *Sent:* 03 October 2017 10:27<br>
> *To:* Sunday Folayan <sfolayan@gmail.com><br>
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net>; <br>
> AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <board@afrinic.net><br>
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions<br>
><br>
> Dear Board, Sunday,<br>
><br>
> I had some hope this board was slightly more? committed than this?<br>
><br>
> I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, <br>
> and the other reports we?re supposed to get from this board. Twice <br>
> committed ? publicly ? twice failed to deliver on the commitments.<br>
><br>
> I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii ? since <br>
> committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not <br>
> inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this <br>
> board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii ? which states that this <br>
> board must disseminate among its members information on all matters <br>
> affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central <br>
> channel of communication for the members.<br>
><br>
> Now ? you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your <br>
> commitments to this community ? and I am sure they will come ? excuses <br>
> and all the rest of it ? and I?m pretty sure I could find relevant <br>
> sections of the companies act ? particularly about directors acting in <br>
> good faith ? but then at some point ? the whole ?that applies to <br>
> shareholders, hence registered members? argument would most likely <br>
> appear ? been down that road before as well.<br>
><br>
> Here is a suggestion to this board ? if you don?t have the time and <br>
> effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made <br>
> them ? maybe it?s time to cancel ALL board travel ? so instead of <br>
> wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week <br>
> or two per board member ? you have the time to fulfil your <br>
> responsibilities as a board?<br>
><br>
> It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community ? a board that <br>
> lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the <br>
> bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community <br>
> and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice.<br>
><br>
> If you don?t have time to do the job ? why did you put your name <br>
> forward ? get elected ? and take the job.<br>
><br>
> Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before)<br>
><br>
> Andrew<br>
><br>
> *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com]<br>
> *Sent:* 24 September 2017 22:08<br>
> *To:* Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com <br>
> <mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>><br>
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net <br>
> <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' <br>
> List <board@afrinic.net <mailto:board@afrinic.net>><br>
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions<br>
><br>
> Dear Mr Alston,<br>
><br>
> 2nd October 2017.<br>
><br>
> Thanks and Regards ...<br>
><br>
> Sunday.<br>
><br>
> On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote:<br>
><br>
> Sunday ? let us be clear here ? is that two weeks since the<br>
> original expiry date 10 days ago?<br>
><br>
> Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry ?<br>
> but after you?ve missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10<br>
> days to request the extension ? it now becomes incumbent on you to<br>
> give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you<br>
> committed to, so let?s avoid any ambiguity here ? can we have a<br>
> date please<br>
><br>
> Andrew<br>
><br>
> *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com]<br>
> *Sent:* 23 September 2017 00:52<br>
> *To:* Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com><br>
> <mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com><br>
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC<br>
> <community-discuss@afrinic.net><br>
> <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of<br>
> Directors' List <board@afrinic.net> <mailto:board@afrinic.net><br>
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions<br>
><br>
> Dear Mr Alston,<br>
><br>
> Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions.<br>
><br>
> The response is pending the final consideration of the Board.<br>
><br>
> I will appreciate an extension of two weeks.<br>
><br>
> With kind regards ...<br>
><br>
> Sunday Folayan.<br>
><br>
> On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote:<br>
><br>
> Dear Sunday and Board of Directors,<br>
><br>
> It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community<br>
> based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to<br>
> reverting back to this community on some pretty serious<br>
> questions ? then miss the deadline they themselves set with no<br>
> explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And<br>
> then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the<br>
> board would be met ? stay entirely silent and say nothing.<br>
><br>
> I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a<br>
> commitment, and it is not this community that set the time<br>
> frames here ? it was the board who promised such.<br>
><br>
> Again I ask ? when will the board meet its commitments to this<br>
> community that are clearly stated below?<br>
><br>
> Andrew<br>
><br>
> *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com]<br>
> *Sent:* 18 September 2017 09:54<br>
> *To:* Sunday Folayan <sfolayan@gmail.com><br>
> <mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com><br>
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC<br>
> <community-discuss@afrinic.net><br>
> <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of<br>
> Directors' List <board@afrinic.net> <mailto:board@afrinic.net><br>
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions<br>
><br>
> Dear Sunday, Board of Directors.<br>
><br>
> As per the below, we were told we would have a response within<br>
> 60 days ? this is now 3 days overdue.<br>
><br>
> Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that<br>
> was made will be met?<br>
><br>
> Thanks<br>
><br>
> Andrew<br>
><br>
> *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com]<br>
> *Sent:* 15 July 2017 09:03<br>
> *To:* Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com<br>
> <mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>><br>
> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC<br>
> <community-discuss@afrinic.net<br>
> <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of<br>
> Directors' List <board@afrinic.net <mailto:board@afrinic.net>><br>
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions<br>
><br>
> Dear Mr Alston,<br>
><br>
> Thank you very much for your email and questions.<br>
><br>
> The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days.<br>
><br>
> Regards ...<br>
><br>
> Sunday.<br>
><br>
> On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote:<br>
><br>
> Dear AfriNIC Board,<br>
><br>
> I have been advised that when I had questions or request,<br>
> that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following<br>
> are a list of requests<br>
><br>
> 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into<br>
> whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy<br>
> puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius<br>
> Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly<br>
> what the potential liability is.<br>
> 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required<br>
> to commence such an investigation, and once said<br>
> investigation has been commissioned, advise on the<br>
> time frames to complete said investigation, and once<br>
> concluded advise the community of the full results of<br>
> said investigation<br>
> 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of<br>
> board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form<br>
> part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the<br>
> community when the meetings of said proceedings shall<br>
> be published as per the agreement to publish the<br>
> minutes of board meetings.<br>
> 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into<br>
> the limits that the RSA can be modified without member<br>
> consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the<br>
> community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a<br>
> contract be changed without the consent of both<br>
> parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what<br>
> is already signed)<br>
> 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members<br>
> list requesting the board to check if any procedures<br>
> and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a<br>
> signatory are missing, can the board please<br>
> investigate if there are any policies, procedures or<br>
> committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The<br>
> bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source<br>
> which binds the company and advise the community of<br>
> a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and<br>
> b.) once known, the full list of outstanding<br>
> policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames<br>
> to rectify these areas.<br>
><br>
> I look forward to hearing the results of the above.<br>
><br>
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