<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Andrew,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Not so easy to forget. Even if you do some of us do remember and the archives are available:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">a) There was a Mr Alston before board mandate </div><div class="">b)There was a Mr Alston 2014 -2017</div><div class="">c) there is a Mr. Alston since AIS2017</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The a) was promising, full of energy, Mr Solution to everything, the anti-RPKI, etc….</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">and b) came in and :</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">* Promoted AFRINIC governance as Top-Down</div><div class="">* Promoted Trust-only, no-accontabiliy and no-transparency</div><div class="">* Company act evangelist </div><div class="">* Promoted AFRINIC as 8+1 people(registered members) private company. Other members have limited powers, Community has none</div><div class="">* Opposed most of the community proposals to improve accountability during the last accountability review</div><div class="">* Supported adopting changes to bylaws for accountability review by vote on multiple resolutions instead of working out a coherent consensual draft bylaws.</div><div class="">* Opposed Board member recall by members and community</div><div class="">* Claimed to have rescued AFRINIC</div><div class="">* Authored some controversial policy proposals</div><div class="">* etc..</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And now, welcome c) who seem confused and lost:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> *Dealing with simple community member position subject to past board member's NDA and reserve obligations</div><div class=""> * Suffering from the Top-down governance enjoyed during b)</div><div class=""> *Want all the powers to members and even Community</div><div class=""> * Want 300% transparency</div><div class=""> *Want 400% accountability</div><div class=""> * Want PDP appeal procedure put in place</div><div class=""> * Want a ASO members recall procedure</div><div class=""> * Want Mgmt audits published.</div><div class=""> * Describe the rescued AFRINIC as the financially weakest RIR</div><div class=""> * Concerned by the membership fees compared to RIPE NCC</div><div class=""> * Etc….</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I could easily understand your status and confusion. Welcome back inside the community. Hope you can manage.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">—Alain</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 12 Jul 2017, at 06:40, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" class="">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div id="compose-container" itemscope="" itemtype="https://schema.org/EmailMessage" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; direction: ltr;" class=""><span itemprop="creator" itemscope="" itemtype="https://schema.org/Organization" class=""><span itemprop="name" content="Outlook Mobile for iOS" class=""></span></span><div class=""><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">I realized after it was pointed out that this had not gone to the list - so re-sending</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Andrew</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="acompli_signature">Get<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://aka.ms/o0ukef" class="">Outlook for iOS</a></div><div class="gmail_quote">_____________________________<br class="">From: Andrew Alston <<a dir="ltr" href="mailto:andrew.alston@liquidtelecom.com" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="0" class="">andrew.alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br class="">Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 08:08<br class="">Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Confusion...<br class="">To: Sander Steffann <<a dir="ltr" href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="1" class="">sander@steffann.nl</a>>, Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a dir="ltr" href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="2" class="">madomey@hotmail.com</a>><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div id="x_compose-container" itemscope="" itemtype="https://schema.org/EmailMessage" style="direction: ltr;" class=""><span itemprop="creator" itemscope="" itemtype="https://schema.org/Organization" class=""><span itemprop="name" class=""></span></span><div class=""><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Markus -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">You say that I am in a different orbit - so let me state what orbit I am in -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">I want total transparency - both on governance and financial issues</div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">I want to know how the money we as members is being spent and that it is well spent and justified - particularly considering that for large members the fees as in excess of 20 times the costs paid by RIPE members</div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">I want to be assured if our elected representatives are traveling on our dime - that the travel is justified and in the benefits of the members the organization is meant to serve</div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">I want to be assured that the board and the executive are at all times adhearing to the bylaws which we, as members, approved</div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">I want to be assured that the company operates to the letter of the law and to be assured that the actions they take do not create legal risk which may threaten the organization</div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">I want to ensure that the policies of the organization actually contribute to the growth of internet penetration on the continent, and do not merely serve to protect isps, but actually serve the general population of our continent.</div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">I want to ensure that the company is delivering on its mandate as clearly defined in section 3 of the bylaws.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">That my friend - is my orbit - so - if we are in different orbits - please - tell me yours and how it conflicts with the above - explain it to me - after all - do we not operate on a principal that dialog solves problems and builds consensus?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Andrew</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="x_acompli_signature">Get<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://aka.ms/o0ukef" class="">Outlook for iOS</a></div></div></div><hr tabindex="-1" style="display: inline-block; 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