<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 21, 2017, at 10:28 , ALAIN AINA <<a href="mailto:aalain@trstech.net" class="">aalain@trstech.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Andrew,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Not so easy to forget. Even if you do some of us do remember and the archives are available:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">a) There was a Mr Alston before board mandate </div><div class="">b)There was a Mr Alston 2014 -2017</div><div class="">c) there is a Mr. Alston since AIS2017</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The a) was promising, full of energy, Mr Solution to everything, the anti-RPKI, etc….</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">and b) came in and :</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">* Promoted AFRINIC governance as Top-Down</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Citation needed — I didn’t see this during his term on the board.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">* Promoted Trust-only, no-accontabiliy and no-transparency</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Citation needed — I didn’t see this during his term on the board.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">* Company act evangelist </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>OK, I can sort of see this, but, the Maruitian Companies Act is the governing law under which AfriNIC operates. As such, compliance isn’t exactly optional, and, where AfriNIC conduct runs afoul of it, board members have an obligation to take corrective action. It is part of their fiduciary duty.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">* Promoted AFRINIC as 8+1 people(registered members) private company. Other members have limited powers, Community has none</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I would argue that he stated this as a fact of how AfriNIC is currently organized rather than promoting or encouraging it.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">* Opposed most of the community proposals to improve accountability during the last accountability review</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Most of these proposals didn’t actually improve accountability and were fundamentally flawed in meaningful ways. He was not alone in this opposition, a significant fraction of the community also opposed them.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">* Supported adopting changes to bylaws for accountability review by vote on multiple resolutions instead of working out a coherent consensual draft bylaws.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>This is the mechanism by which this can be legitimately accomplished under the rules and laws applicable to the organization. You are criticizing him for following the process that is defined by law? Really?</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">* Opposed Board member recall by members and community</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Citation needed — This does not match my recollection.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">* Claimed to have rescued AFRINIC</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Given the financial state of AfriNIC at the time he joined the board vs. now, there is some legitimacy to this claim. I chalk this up to normal electoral hyperbole and little more.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">* Authored some controversial policy proposals</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>This is a criticism? How is this a bad thing?</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">* etc..</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And now, welcome c) who seem confused and lost:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> *Dealing with simple community member position subject to past board member's NDA and reserve obligations</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Can you parse this for me? I don’t know what it is intended to say.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""> * Suffering from the Top-down governance enjoyed during b)</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Again, I’m not sure what you are trying to say here.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""> *Want all the powers to members and even Community</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I don’t see this being inconsistent with his prior positions.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""> * Want 300% transparency</div><div class=""> *Want 400% accountability</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Now who is engaging in hyperbole?</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""> * Want PDP appeal procedure put in place</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>More accurately, wants board to follow the PDP section 3.5 requirements and create the required appeals committee.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I don’t think this is a bad thing.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""> * Want a ASO members recall procedure</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Citation needed.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""> * Want Mgmt audits published.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>This is not new. This was being stated during what you refer to as a) and b).</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""> * Describe the rescued AFRINIC as the financially weakest RIR</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Compare the published financials of the 5 RIRs and it is obvious that this is a simple statement of fact.</div><div>AfriNIC is significantly stronger financially than it was when he took office. It is still the financially weakest of the 5 RIRs.</div><div>I don’t understand why you think this is inconsistent? The facts prove out these statements.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""> * Concerned by the membership fees compared to RIPE NCC</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>AfriNIC has the highest fees of the 5 RIRs. RIPE has the lowest. Anyone in AfriNIC not concerned by this in light of current circumstances is engaging in behavior often attributed to a well known large bird native to the continent.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""> * Etc….</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I could easily understand your status and confusion. Welcome back inside the community. Hope you can manage.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Did you really think that this largely unsubstantiated ad hominem attack was a good use of the community-discuss list?</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I have my share of issues with Mr. Alston and lord knows he is often his own worst enemy in many ways. Nonetheless, let’s attack his arguments on merit rather than attacking him with questionable allegations, innuendo, and ad hominem.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">—Alain</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 12 Jul 2017, at 06:40, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" class="">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div id="compose-container" itemscope="" itemtype="https://schema.org/EmailMessage" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; direction: ltr;" class=""><span itemprop="creator" itemscope="" itemtype="https://schema.org/Organization" class=""><span itemprop="name" content="Outlook Mobile for iOS" class=""></span></span><div class=""><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">I realized after it was pointed out that this had not gone to the list - so re-sending</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Andrew</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="acompli_signature">Get<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://aka.ms/o0ukef" class="">Outlook for iOS</a></div><div class="gmail_quote">_____________________________<br class="">From: Andrew Alston <<a dir="ltr" href="mailto:andrew.alston@liquidtelecom.com" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="0" class="">andrew.alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br class="">Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 08:08<br class="">Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Confusion...<br class="">To: Sander Steffann <<a dir="ltr" href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="1" class="">sander@steffann.nl</a>>, Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a dir="ltr" href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="2" class="">madomey@hotmail.com</a>><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div id="x_compose-container" itemscope="" itemtype="https://schema.org/EmailMessage" style="direction: ltr;" class=""><span itemprop="creator" itemscope="" itemtype="https://schema.org/Organization" class=""><span itemprop="name" class=""></span></span><div class=""><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Markus -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">You say that I am in a different orbit - so let me state what orbit I am in -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">I want total transparency - both on governance and financial issues</div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">I want to know how the money we as members is being spent and that it is well spent and justified - particularly considering that for large members the fees as in excess of 20 times the costs paid by RIPE members</div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">I want to be assured if our elected representatives are traveling on our dime - that the travel is justified and in the benefits of the members the organization is meant to serve</div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">I want to be assured that the board and the executive are at all times adhearing to the bylaws which we, as members, approved</div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">I want to be assured that the company operates to the letter of the law and to be assured that the actions they take do not create legal risk which may threaten the organization</div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">I want to ensure that the policies of the organization actually contribute to the growth of internet penetration on the continent, and do not merely serve to protect isps, but actually serve the general population of our continent.</div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">I want to ensure that the company is delivering on its mandate as clearly defined in section 3 of the bylaws.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">That my friend - is my orbit - so - if we are in different orbits - please - tell me yours and how it conflicts with the above - explain it to me - after all - do we not operate on a principal that dialog solves problems and builds consensus?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Andrew</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="x_acompli_signature">Get<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://aka.ms/o0ukef" class="">Outlook for iOS</a></div></div></div><hr tabindex="-1" style="display: inline-block; 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