<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Hi all</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Without addressing anyone in particular I honestly and humbly wish we can exercise some decorum, good will and a sense of community. There's is too much personalization and hurling of insults and insinuations on this list.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">May I submit that we can disagree, discourse and add value to each other in the interest of the community without slipping into insults and abuses?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Let's engage, agree, disagree, agree to disagree while at the same time maintaining some decorum? </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">I apologise if I'm coming across as preachy but this is important.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Regards</div><img src="http://t.sidekickopen16.com/e1t/o/5/f18dQhb0S7ks8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9gXrN7sKj6v4LNdFMd_KMKRbM7xW4Wzv6P2zlZNzW26tGP91k1H6H0?si=6190904865718272&pi=be8f86d6-b68d-42dc-f478-51ab33b63220" style="display:none!important" height="1" width="1"><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Ali
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 8:08 AM, Owen DeLong <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">I think a more accurate description of the events is that certain portions of the community with no sense of decorum or fairness spoke very loudly and refused to give up the floor even after being declared out of order repeatedly by the chair of the meeting.<div><br></div><div>However, I am certain you are unlikely to share my perspective as you are almost certainly allied with this group of ill-behaved malcontents.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jun 5, 2017, at 19:13 , Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-3678265278261840228Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Ali</div><div style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Thanks for highlighting the issues bellow. Some board members have claimed championing transparency but I think we all need to have the same definition of the word. </div><div style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">The issue of publishing the minutes was a community mandate to the board not a board initiative. I also like the issue on declaring interest. </div><div style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">However the community is not blind and eventually the truth comes out as we saw in Nairobi where the community spoke resoundingly in both ASO and board elections. </div><div style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Regards </div><div style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br>On 5 Jun 2017, at 12:39, Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div><div><span></span></div><div><div>Mark and all</div><div><br></div><div>Let's raise the bar on transparency and proper reporting is super critical.</div><div><br></div><div>For example a quick perusal of the Afrinic Website tells me that:-</div><div><br></div><div>1. The last minutes posted were in February this year. I see there was another Board meeting in April which has no minutes posted yet. Can we try and ensure that board minutes are available for circulation online within 2 weeks of the meeting being held?</div><div><br></div><div>2. It is common best practice for Board members to declare their interests (if any) before any board meeting and these to be duly recorded in the minutes. This will go a long way in enhancing the transparency conversation. </div><div><br></div><div>3. I also note that in the February Board minutes that agenda Item No. 5 on Committees there are no committee reports for Audit and Remuneration. Also no other board committee reports have been presented. </div><div>Question:- why are there no reports on the Audit and Remuneration reports committees? Is this an oversight or were they simply not ready? Can the Board consider making the other committee reports available to the community?</div><div><br></div><div>4. It is now also standard for organizations to publish a Sustainability Report. Most public for profit companies in Kenya now publish a sustainability report. This is even more critical in an Organisation like Afrinic. To give us a sample of what this may look like please see Safaricom's 2016 Sustainability Report below:-</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.safaricom.co.ke/images/Downloads/Resources_Downloads/sustainabilityreport_2016.pdf" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://www.safaricom.co.ke/<wbr>images/Downloads/Resources_<wbr>Downloads/<wbr>sustainabilityreport_2016.pdf</a></div><span class=""><div><br><div><div><span><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><span><b>Principal</b></span></div><div><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Hussein & Associates</b></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:inherit">+254 0713 601113 </div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:inherit"><br></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font></font></span><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Skype: abu-jomo</span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.<wbr>com/in/alihkassim</a></span></div><font><br></font></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle</span></div><div><br></div><div><span><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div></div></span><div><br>On 5 Jun 2017, at 11:37 AM, Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p>I agree with you Ali. When Andrew first campaigned to be a Board member, one of his goals was increased transparency. I believe that he has helped, with the rest of the Board, achieve this. Transparency though is an ongoing process and its a pity that Andrew was not re-elected to continue assisting in that process.</p><p>Regarding Andrews points:</p><p>a) Travel in Africa is not cheap. Rather than just a single line for travel, I'd like to see it a bit more broken up though, categorised something like;<br> i) Training sessions 10, people 20, cost $10,000<br> ii) Meetings 2, people 40, cost $20,000<br> iii) Board Travel 8, trips 32, cost $20,000</p><p>(or something like that)<br></p><p>b - d) Again, I'd like to see a bit more break down, especially in the case of unaudited organisations. On d), the ASO/NRO fees are proportionally paid by RIRs. AfriNIC does pay the lowest proportion.<span class="m_-3678265278261840228Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></p><p>e) I think the moratorium on Business class travel should be maintained, but have the option to upgrade their flights at their expense. When flying for AfriNIC, I was given a Priority Pass card. That privilege should stay to give people access to lounges. I'm happy the CEO flies business (at his discretion). If it was a long flight (ARIN, USA) and overnight and that Board member is the only AfriNIC representative and was presenting the "AfriNIC" slides, let them fly business. I did that once (but travelled economy).<br></p><br><div class="m_-3678265278261840228moz-cite-prefix">On 05/06/2017 08:21, Ali Hussein wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Andrew</div><div><br></div><div>You raise pertinent and important issues. </div><div><br></div><div>The rule of thumb for any public organization is that Transparency trumps (no pun intended) everything else. </div><div><br></div><div>If I were asked and was a member of the Board, I'd advocate for FULL disclosure on financial and operational matters. How money was spent, how much, what was the impact, who received it etc. That in my humble opinion is the best policy. Let us err on the side of too much information as opposed to too little information.<span class=""><br><br><div><span><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><span><b>Principal</b></span></div><div><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Hussein & Associates</b></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:inherit">+254 0713 601113 </div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:inherit"><br></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"></span><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Skype: abu-jomo</span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.<wbr>com/in/alihkassim</a></span></div><font><br></font></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle</span></div><div><br></div><div><span><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</span></div><div><br>On 5 Jun 2017, at 8:42 AM, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="m_-3678265278261840228WordSection1"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Hi All,<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">So – I want to open a bit of a discussion about transparency, specifically, financial transparency.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">In order to get this started – let me ask a few questions of all of you –<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">While we talk about transparency and how it is required – can we analyze for a moment as to the level of transparency we want. So, to kick this discussion off, let me start by asking some basic questions that we can use as the starting point for this discussion.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><span>a.)<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> <span class="m_-3678265278261840228Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span lang="EN-US">How much detail should the board and AfriNIC be supplying us as regards how the money we pay towards IP resources is spent. Is it sufficient to show an aggregated line item that refers to travel expenses for example, or do we want to see some kind of a breakdown on what that money is being spent on (considering that travel makes up 10% of the total revenue)<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><span>b.)<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> <span class="m_-3678265278261840228Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span lang="EN-US">How much detail should the board and AfriNIC be supplying us as members as regards other large scale line items – specifically – we spend hundreds of thousands each year on meeting expenses – should we be asking for a breakdown on what those meeting expenses are – or are we happy with the organization spending that kind of money under a single large line item.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><span>c.)<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> <span class="m_-3678265278261840228Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span lang="EN-US">When AfriNIC is giving money to other organizations for sponsorship – what level of transparency and accountability should be required from those organizations. Is it acceptable that AFRINIC makes a decision to give money to organizations that have no formal incorporation, no audited financial statements and no board of their own, or should AFRINIC be scrutinizing those that they give money to far more closely, and asking for the same level of transparency from those that they give money to that we require from them.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><span>d.)<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> <span class="m_-3678265278261840228Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span lang="EN-US">When AFRINIC is funding organizations such as the ASO/NRO – how much transparency should be supplied back to the members about how that money is being spent and what that funding is actually being used for.<u></u><u></u></span></div><span class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><span>e.)<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> <span class="m_-3678265278261840228Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span lang="EN-US">When AFRINIC is funding board travel to meetings around the world – should board members be able to attend these conferences without ever supplying reports about what was accomplished at said meetings and what the purpose of the expenditure was, or are we prepared to accept that these meetings must be useful without further questions.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></span><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Remember, every cent spent by AfriNIC can have an impact on our fees, and impacts the bottom line of the company. Over the last 3 years, we have come a long way to stabilizing the company and its financial position, but in order to maintain that, we probably need to discuss openly as a community about the level of transparency we want into those finances and then once we as a community come to consensus, we can request the board supply the transparency we agree is necessary. But let us have an open and cordial discussion so that we get to the right point.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US">Andrew<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div></div></blockquote><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>______________________________<wbr>_________________</span><br><span>Community-Discuss mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a></span><br><span><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/community-<wbr>discuss</a></span><br></div></blockquote><br><fieldset class="m_-3678265278261840228mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset><br><pre>______________________________<wbr>_________________
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