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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Jackson,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If you read my original email very carefully on this subject – I will not violate the NDA – I will not reveal anything that is not already published
– the rules around the NDA are clear – do not reveal information that you gained – I am not doing that – I am asking the board to release the information themselves – and as Sander just said –
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="a">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The existence of the audit-co report – is documented in the minutes – its contents aren’t
– and I have not alluded to those contents<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The existence of management letters is public knowledge – if you know anything about audit
– you will know that is standard practice to issue such<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The fact that I stated that I have knowledge of the management letter is public knowledge
– I was chair of the audit-co – and the audit charter specifically permitted that<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The fact that I have concerns about what is in there – that does not reveal any information
about the contents – it reveals my opinion about a document that it is public knowledge that I have had access to.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I also point you to the resolutions past in the last few years – that specifically state that anything that is revealed to a third party not under
NDA is considered within the public domain – the existence of anything I have questioned in the way of documents has been revealed through the publication of the minutes.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">However Jackson, the problem here is – and I believe I stated as much in the previous email – the minutes which are published in any board – are
never totally revealing – because there are reports – which are clearly mentioned in the minutes – and should a reference in the minutes me made to a report and that discussion was held around said report, the actual contents of that report are never published.
This is open to abuse – and while I am in no way alleging such abuse has taken place – I merely point out a significant risk – and here is how this could work<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="a">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A committee exists
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Work is assigned to said committee
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The committee comes back with a report that is circulated
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The board makes decisions based on what is in that report
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The minutes reflect that the report was discussed – but nothing about what was in the report
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The report is never tabled before the community<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">That leads to a situation where transparency can easily be avoided.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Am I saying that that has happened here? Certainly not. I am saying – that is the risk of reports that never make it to the light of day. And
as I have said – the existence of the reports – that is referenced – that is public information – all I am asking is that those reports be made public so that the community can judge their contents for themselves.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I also point out – under the national code of corporate governance for Mauritius – there are meant to be minutes of every single committee meeting
– and I would like to ask the board – are those minutes available and if so will the board be prepared to publish them – since I believe that if we want transparency – let us get full transparency – including into the workings of the committees who’s existence
is public knowledge.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Jackson Muthili [mailto:jacksonmuthi@gmail.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 29 June 2017 12:46<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Sunday Folayan <sfolayan@gmail.com>; General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This is worrying.<br>
<br>
A former board member using privileged insider information to demand<br>
accountability and transparency from current board members.<br>
<br>
What does AfriNIC legal adviser have to say about this sort of disclosure?<br>
<br>
-J<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Andrew Alston<br>
<<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Sunday,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> In order to do that – may we audit co report that was presented to the<br>
> board? That is covered by the NDA – and there are aspects of that that<br>
> relate to this directly.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Can you also – for clarity before we get into this – publish the charter for<br>
> the audit co – because again – to get into this fully – there needs to be<br>
> points made about EXACTLY what is in that audit-co charter and the rules<br>
> behind which anyone on the audit-co must operate.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Andrew<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> From: Sunday Folayan <<a href="mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com">sfolayan@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Date: Thursday, 29 June 2017 at 12:06<br>
> To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Mr Alston,<br>
><br>
> Your crafty discussions about the NDA fuels a perception that there is a<br>
> problem(s) which is being hidden from the public.<br>
><br>
> I think you should start from issues you raised as a Board member, on the<br>
> board, which the Board did not attend to, or indeed ignored. You are free to<br>
> refer to specific things in the Board minutes, there are no NDAs there.<br>
><br>
> Go for that!<br>
><br>
> Sunday.<br>
><br>
> On 28/06/2017 11:19, Andrew Alston wrote:<br>
><br>
> Sunday – I happen to disagree with you – strongly – and I am curious to hear<br>
> the opinions of the members.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Please keep in mind – I HAVE that letter – I know exactly what it is in – I<br>
> however, signed an NDA – and I will not disclose the contents of what is in<br>
> there under any circumstances without it being published. That being said –<br>
> I *DO* believe that there is information in there that is material to the<br>
> members of this organisation – that I do not believe have been disclosed and<br>
> that should be.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I also do not believe for a second that this is a simple case of one<br>
> management letter – this is about locking in transparency for the future –<br>
> today – we have a fairly innocuous document from my understanding – tomorrow<br>
> – who knows – and I want a situation that guarantees that in the future – we<br>
> have precedent that will result in total transparency and nothing hidden.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> In the coming days – I will be asking a series of questions – and I will<br>
> explain up front and with transparency exactly what my goals are – and what<br>
> the limits of those questions will be.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Firstly – under no circumstances will I violate the NDA to which I am a<br>
> signatory of – I hold myself to standards on that and nothing will convince<br>
> me to step outside of that.<br>
><br>
> Secondly – I am deeply concerned about much of what I have seen – and I<br>
> believe strongly that we need more transparency – and while we have done<br>
> good work in the last few years that work must continue. Once I feel, as a<br>
> member, within my rights and powers granted by the bylaws, that we are in a<br>
> place where<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> a.) The board is bound to follow the bylaws – to the very letter of every<br>
> clause<br>
><br>
> b.) That the board is bound to follow the law – every aspect of it – law<br>
> which I will not attempt to interpret – there are lawyers on this list for<br>
> that – and there is in house council – I will merely question based on my<br>
> understanding – and then here the responses and learn from them<br>
><br>
> c.) The board is acting in the best interests of the community with total<br>
> transparency at all times – I will let the community through their voice<br>
> indicate when they feel there is enough transparency – but right now – I am<br>
> not getting that impression.<br>
><br>
> d.) That the corporate governance of the organisation is of international<br>
> standard and in full compliance with what is running in the NCCG as<br>
> published in the area in which AfriNIC is domiciled. While this is<br>
> partially the function of the governance committee – any question I ask on<br>
> this list of course may be taken up and looked at by them should they choose<br>
> to do so – but the creation of such a committee did in no way detract from<br>
> the rights of members to question what is in effect their organisation.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Then – and only then – will I cease to ask the questions. As I have said to<br>
> you openly – and I will say it publicly – the questions that will come over<br>
> the next few weeks and months have carefully thought about – carefully<br>
> considered - and they are not meant to do damage – they are meant to provide<br>
> options – and to create a way for us, as an organisation, as members, to<br>
> question if the organisation is running the way we, as the collective<br>
> membership base, believe it should be. In many cases – there will be no<br>
> right or wrong answer – but the questions will require thought and<br>
> deliberation to come to a point which brings this organisation forward<br>
> rather than backwards. We have no idea what the boards of tomorrow will<br>
> look like – we have no idea what tomorrow will bring, and I, as a member,<br>
> will not leave that to chance. So – it is time to build the systems of<br>
> accountability to the community, to ensure that no matter what tomorrow<br>
> brings, the organisation is on the right path.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> My view here is simple – I, as one of only many members, cannot dictate the<br>
> way the organisation is run. However, I can question, and ask, openly and<br>
> transparently, and ensure that through those questions, the community gets<br>
> to discuss ALL of the issues that are pertinent that they may or may not be<br>
> aware of – and that – I will do for the long term stability of this<br>
> organisation.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> In regards the current issue – as I have said – if the board is choosing not<br>
> to publish – I will honour that – because I signed something I will adhere<br>
> to – but I will also publicly state that I do not agree with the assertion<br>
> that there is nothing in there that is material to this community.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I draw your attention to the fact that in financial statements – it makes a<br>
> reference to “net assets attributable to members”, now, my laymans<br>
> understanding of this is that in effect, we, as members, pay AfriNIC to<br>
> deliver us a service and because of the way the organisation and RIR’s in<br>
> general are structured, we also get a say in how that service is done, and<br>
> in effect, the financial aspects of the company are of concern to the<br>
> members, since AfriNIC in effect is acting on our behalf in a trust<br>
> capacity. To enhance that trust – we need to know that the organisation<br>
> will honour the rules around non-profit organisations and transparency – and<br>
> that is something – I plan to fully test.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Thanks<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Andrew<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> From: Sunday Folayan [<a href="mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com">mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: 28 June 2017 12:49<br>
> To: Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Dear Mr Alston,<br>
><br>
> On 27/06/2017 00:31, Andrew Alston wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi Sunday,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Ok – now we have a problem – let me quote what you said:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> "This report is intended solely for the information and use of the audit<br>
> committee and is not intended to be and should not be used by anyone<br>
> other than these specified parties."<br>
><br>
> Now, let me quote from the bylaws:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> 7.6 The Registered Members and Resource Members shall, at Annual General<br>
> Members' Meetings or by way of written resolutions, in addition to the<br>
> rights conferred by Articles 7.1 and 7.2, have the right to:<br>
><br>
> (ii) receive any auditor's report;<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> So – what we have is something that SPECIFICALLY calls itself a report – and<br>
> is from the auditors.<br>
><br>
> Then – we have a clause in the bylaws that says *ANY* auditors report – NOT<br>
> the financial audit report – not annual report - *ANY AUDITORS REPORT*<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> As such – by my reading of this – the board is now in violation of the<br>
> bylaws – clearly – and without apology – in violation of that clause. Are<br>
> you SURE this is the stance that the AfriNIC board wants to take?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Andrew<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I would like to remind everybody that an “auditor’s report” is a specific<br>
> type of report, and “any auditor’s report” means any instance of an<br>
> auditor’s report. It does not mean ”any report that originates from an<br>
> auditor”.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> AFRINIC has published any and all auditor’s reports.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> AFRINIC’s auditors and AFRINIC’s legal counsel have confirmed that the<br>
> management letter is not an auditor’s report, neither is it part of an<br>
> auditor’s report, and it is a confidential document.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Some people have implied that there might be something bad in the management<br>
> letter. There are suggestions of things that AFRINIC could do better, but if<br>
> there was anything bad, then it would appear in the auditor’s report, which<br>
> has been published.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Thanks.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Sunday Folayan.<br>
><br>
> Board Chair.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
><br>
> --------------------------------------------------<br>
><br>
> Sunday Adekunle Folayan<br>
><br>
> Managing Director<br>
><br>
> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)<br>
><br>
> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria<br>
><br>
> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523<br>
><br>
> Email: <a href="mailto:sfolayan@skannet.com.ng">sfolayan@skannet.com.ng</a>, <a href="mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com">
sfolayan@gmail.com</a><br>
><br>
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><br>
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