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On 17 Jun 2017, at 9:17 am, Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Correct me if I'm correct - AFRINIC would fall under what we call critical national/continent assets/infrastructure right? </div>
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<div>If the above is correct then basically what McTim is suggesting is akin to saying you can only use roads or contribute to governance issues if you pay your taxes? :-)</div>
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<div>Correct again this has been an issue over time and has been discussed this is the community / members discussion. In the early days we had one open discussion list for any community member to openly share and comment. A few years ago this need to separate
paying members, being those with resources and community members started with the AGM in Zambia where the compromise was community could attend the AGM as observers and not participants. </div>
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<div>The escalation of two separate lists came 2-3 years ago where the community list was created and thus drawing a line between the community and paid up members. </div>
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<div>Just being pedantic.. :-)</div>
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<div>Seriously though, I raised this issue of Governance a few weeks ago and up until it is addressed comprehensively we will continue to have issues such as what Badru has raised. </div>
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<div>We have a governance committee hopefully working on this but there could also be a component of leadership here </div>
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<div>As the community I believe it would be unreasonable to expect the Board to respond to ALL queries promptly because sometimes it's operational issues and understandably they would need to consult with Management first. We need to set expectations - much
like Service Level Agreements - and then adhere to them.</div>
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<div>You are perfectly right here but an acknowledgement and promise to respond in due course is sufficient hopefully not from a robot :-) </div>
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<div>I urge Management and Board to come up with such communication direction.</div>
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On 17 Jun 2017, at 2:20 AM, Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<span>:-) indeed you are being pedantic. However the point is the same whether we are discussing 10 members or 100. A level of response is expected from those we elect to oversee our organisation as members which we also hold in trust for the wider community.
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>For the purpose of policy making, we are all equal. For the purpose</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>With all due respect the list of questions in a way underpin my worry. In a</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>For clarity the community elects the board, the then board hires the CEO</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Should you respond to all queries ?? I personally think responding to some</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Why my concern ?? I think over the last few months many comments have been</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm sure I need not go further. It just seems community is becoming a</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>As far as I am concerned the list of members who defaulted and/or under</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Why are we being less transparent about this now? In fact since 2014, how</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>I also checked the</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Are all those 2411 INR marked as “reserved”, resources from recovery?</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>If not how can one tell the difference between which are the recovered space</span><br>
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