<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Andrew</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">This is noted. However, I stand by my assertions that transparency requires a public Organisation like Afrinic to publish said reports - redacted or not. It's imperative that the community understands the goings on in such interactions. Unless of course Afrinic claims 'National Security' status? :-)<br><br><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><b>Principal</b></span></div><div><b style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Hussein & Associates</b></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">+254 0713 601113 </div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font></font></span><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a></span></p><font><br></font></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle</span></div><div><br></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 5 Jun 2017, at 12:54 PM, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Ali,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Unfortunately due to constraints on the NDA – I cannot divulge the contents of the audit-co report – but I would also like these reports published, or at least, a redacted version of said reports. I could understand why an internal board
report on audit may not be published in its full totality because sometimes those reports can contain some pretty sensitive information, but I would like to see the board publishing at the very least a redacted version of the same.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would say similar applies to the other committee reports – where the board is publishing the reports produced by the committees – and where necessary really sensitive information can be redacted and be cleared indicated that there were
redactions made.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> Ali Hussein [<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 05 June 2017 12:29<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Let's raise the bar on transparency and proper reporting is super critical.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For example a quick perusal of the Afrinic Website tells me that:-<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1. The last minutes posted were in February this year. I see there was another Board meeting in April which has no minutes posted yet. Can we try and ensure that board minutes are available for circulation online within 2 weeks of the meeting
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<p class="MsoNormal">2. It is common best practice for Board members to declare their interests (if any) before any board meeting and these to be duly recorded in the minutes. This will go a long way in enhancing the transparency conversation. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">3. I also note that in the February Board minutes that agenda Item No. 5 on Committees there are no committee reports for Audit and Remuneration. Also no other board committee reports have been presented. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Question:- why are there no reports on the Audit and Remuneration reports committees? Is this an oversight or were they simply not ready? Can the Board consider making the other committee reports available to the community?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">4. It is now also standard for organizations to publish a Sustainability Report. Most public for profit companies in Kenya now publish a sustainability report. This is even more critical in an Organisation like Afrinic. To give us a sample
of what this may look like please see Safaricom's 2016 Sustainability Report below:-<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.safaricom.co.ke/images/Downloads/Resources_Downloads/sustainabilityreport_2016.pdf">https://www.safaricom.co.ke/images/Downloads/Resources_Downloads/sustainabilityreport_2016.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Hussein & Associates</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 5 Jun 2017, at 11:37 AM, Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I agree with you Ali. When Andrew first campaigned to be a Board member, one of his goals was increased transparency. I believe that he has helped, with the rest of the Board, achieve this. Transparency though is an ongoing process and its a pity that Andrew
was not re-elected to continue assisting in that process.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Regarding Andrews points:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>a) Travel in Africa is not cheap. Rather than just a single line for travel, I'd like to see it a bit more broken up though, categorised something like;<br>
i) Training sessions 10, people 20, cost $10,000<br>
ii) Meetings 2, people 40, cost $20,000<br>
iii) Board Travel 8, trips 32, cost $20,000<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>(or something like that)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>b - d) Again, I'd like to see a bit more break down, especially in the case of unaudited organisations. On d), the ASO/NRO fees are proportionally paid by RIRs. AfriNIC does pay the lowest proportion.
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<p>e) I think the moratorium on Business class travel should be maintained, but have the option to upgrade their flights at their expense. When flying for AfriNIC, I was given a Priority Pass card. That privilege should stay to give people access to lounges.
I'm happy the CEO flies business (at his discretion). If it was a long flight (ARIN, USA) and overnight and that Board member is the only AfriNIC representative and was presenting the "AfriNIC" slides, let them fly business. I did that once (but travelled
economy).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You raise pertinent and important issues. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The rule of thumb for any public organization is that Transparency trumps (no pun intended) everything else. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">If I were asked and was a member of the Board, I'd advocate for FULL disclosure on financial and operational matters. How money was spent, how much, what was the impact, who received it etc. That in my humble
opinion is the best policy. Let us err on the side of too much information as opposed to too little information.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Ali Hussein</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Skype: abu-jomo<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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On 5 Jun 2017, at 8:42 AM, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So – I want to open a bit of a discussion about transparency, specifically, financial transparency.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">In order to get this started – let me ask a few questions of all of you –</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">While we talk about transparency and how it is required – can we analyze for a moment as to the level of transparency we want. So, to kick this discussion off, let me start by asking some basic questions that we can
use as the starting point for this discussion.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">a.)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang="EN-US">How much detail should the board and AfriNIC be supplying us as regards how the money we pay towards IP resources is spent. Is it sufficient to show an aggregated line item that refers to travel expenses for example,
or do we want to see some kind of a breakdown on what that money is being spent on (considering that travel makes up 10% of the total revenue)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">b.)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang="EN-US">How much detail should the board and AfriNIC be supplying us as members as regards other large scale line items – specifically – we spend hundreds of thousands each year on meeting expenses – should we be asking for
a breakdown on what those meeting expenses are – or are we happy with the organization spending that kind of money under a single large line item.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">c.)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang="EN-US">When AfriNIC is giving money to other organizations for sponsorship – what level of transparency and accountability should be required from those organizations. Is it acceptable that AFRINIC makes a decision to give
money to organizations that have no formal incorporation, no audited financial statements and no board of their own, or should AFRINIC be scrutinizing those that they give money to far more closely, and asking for the same level of transparency from those
that they give money to that we require from them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">d.)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang="EN-US">When AFRINIC is funding organizations such as the ASO/NRO – how much transparency should be supplied back to the members about how that money is being spent and what that funding is actually being used for.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">e.)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang="EN-US">When AFRINIC is funding board travel to meetings around the world – should board members be able to attend these conferences without ever supplying reports about what was accomplished at said meetings and what the
purpose of the expenditure was, or are we prepared to accept that these meetings must be useful without further questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Remember, every cent spent by AfriNIC can have an impact on our fees, and impacts the bottom line of the company. Over the last 3 years, we have come a long way to stabilizing the company and its financial position,
but in order to maintain that, we probably need to discuss openly as a community about the level of transparency we want into those finances and then once we as a community come to consensus, we can request the board supply the transparency we agree is necessary.
But let us have an open and cordial discussion so that we get to the right point.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Andrew</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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