<div dir="auto">My brothers happy Easter,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The Afrinic CEO already discuss about the planning of the open discussion in the Nairobi at AIS conference.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So my brothers let us discuss all open during this the meeting as our government officials will be there and our technology people too.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The Afrinic can share more topics too about the challenges as some brothers here said the shuts cost economic damage.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But you know also they governmemt can ask the private isp to give internet to the president. They government can even use the satelite like one project in our village. The satelite gives internet also from people from America so even if the Afrinic can implement such bad policy, the government will just laugh at the Afrinic.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I know the government people can even use the 3G internet on their mobile. They can even ask the isp to give them NAT internet if the Afrinic is saying no IP address to the president office. The ISP will panic not to loose the license for ISP and it will make president office have internet.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Like i make some research and in the country of North Korea they have strict internet and they get from the China. This is power of government when you want to use force to the government.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Even in the UK i read the government there has the power to shuts the internet.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So this topic only open discussion which involve our government can make aware that some impact if they shut but there ia other solutions if the governmment is afraid with national security due to the internet.</div><div dir="auto"><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Best Regards,<br><br>Tutu Ngcaba<br>Kwazulu Techno Hubs<br>South Africa<br> </div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 14 Apr 2017 12:39 p.m., "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Speaking as an individual….<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It’s an interesting question – though realistically – there have been talks and proposals about “national internet registries” for years – and the
ship has kind of sailed.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Firstly – with regards to v4 – there are no resources to distribute to these national internet registries left – and the only way that a national
internet registry could be formed would be for them to get resources to allocate into such a registry – and the AfriNIC policies currently don’t allow for it. Effectively, a policy proposal would have to come forward that allowed an entity to hold resources
and allocate them within the rules of the allocation policy – I don’t see any such thing occurring.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Secondly – it is very difficult for a government to force an organisation to give up already allocated space – because again – that would be a transfer
of resources under the current policies – and that can only happen in the case of mergers and acquisitions at the moment – or in the case of an internal transfer which has to be agreed by both parties under the internal transfer policy.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We have to remember, that AfriNIC is an independent organisation and external governments do not have legal jurisdiction – not without treaties that
would have to be ratified and the location where AfriNIC is domiciled would have to be a signatory to said treaties. At which point, it’s possible to switch jurisdictions.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Yes – I see a lot of noise coming from this – but do I believe that governments can do more harm in that scenario than they are by shutting down
the Internet? No – not at all. There is simply no evidence or mechanism that exists for this to happen.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">And yes – we know there are consequences – but let us also look at the reverse side of the consequences – to do nothing and have the internet shutdown
– how many people lose their jobs when ISP’s no longer have revenue coming in to pay those people? How much damage is done to the user on the ground when the internet is shut down? The stats are out that 2.4 billion dollars haemorrhaged out of economies
due to shutdowns, what are the consequences of doing nothing in that regard?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Everything has its pros and cons – I simply argue that standing by and watch it happening with no concrete action, does far more harm than attempting
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<b>Sent:</b> 12 April 2017 18:44<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>>; Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>>; Mukom Akong T. <<a href="mailto:mukom.tamon@gmail.com" target="_blank">mukom.tamon@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">I have no objection to attempts to reign in 'internet averse' governments. My worry is what will happen next if and after the policy passes? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">Most of us are aware of the ITU/ICANN tensions with respect to internet governance...will such a policy give impetus or reason for even the 'moderate' governments
to finally have a tangible reason to push for and get their national or regional RIRs?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">Perhaps at the moment the effort and impetus to go national/regional RIRs has not gained traction simply because there has not been any thing substantive enough
to rally the governments together for such a move. Could such a policy be the missing rallying call?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">After all no government would want to be told that they are offline because some "Company Ltd" based somewhere in the middle of the Indian Ocean has switched
them off (no offence Kris, to the Star and Key of the Indian Ocean... just wearing the hat of some typical African dictator :-).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">In short, lets debate the policy, but remember as we say in contemporary Kenya - choices do have consequences.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>To:</b> Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>>; Mukom Akong T. <<a href="mailto:mukom.tamon@gmail.com" target="_blank">mukom.tamon@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 12, 2017 5:52 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] New Policy Proposal - "Anti-Shutdown (AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01)"</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">Let me ask you however, as a compromise position, would you be willing to accept a situation where we limit this to the state, parastatals,
and with the exclusion of academia and space that can be proved to belong to critical services (hospitals, emergency services etc).</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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that those orders come down from. As a matter of fact, I am quite proud to see that I have seen one regulator so far stand up on this list and SUPPORT this proposal – it surprised me and I congratulate and thank them for standing for their convictions, that
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to come and give their views, either for or against, and explain WHY their views are what they are. Let us approach this in the spirit of discussion and the spirit of finding the RIGHT solution. If that is an edit of the current policy or a total re-draft
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">I think the point here is – I believe there needs to be something more than statements as you have said – there need to be consequences for
actions such as these – how those consequences are directed and applied is a very wide debate – and I think it’s one we should all deeply engage in. That however an opinion – there are others who feel that the neutrality of the internet organizations is sacrosanct
and we should stay out of it – and on a personal level and not speaking for anyone else, or any other entity, I acknowledge those views – I choose however to disagree with that stance.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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statement of rogue states and shutdowns is real – the debate then is how we do something about it – so, open to ideas, and once again, open to co-authors</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> 12 April 2017 17:14<br>
<b>To:</b> Mukom Akong T. <<a href="mailto:mukom.tamon@gmail.com" target="_blank">mukom.tamon@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] New Policy Proposal - "Anti-Shutdown (AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01)"</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">Internet shutdowns is a topic that I am interested in so much and have been involved in research, drafting statements sent to government officials, have spoken
in various avenues and have written pieces for websites, blogs, journals, etc. I consider myself being an advocate of an open and accessible internet to all. I am opposed to any form of disruption over the network including Internet shutdown whatever the reason.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">For those of us who have little knowledge on this, I would suggest two links:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">One which is a report on the State of Internet freedoms in DRC (my country):
<a href="http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234" target="_blank">http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">And a blogpost I recently wrote for CIPESA on the same issue:
<a href="http://cipesa.org/2017/03/the-evolution-of-internet-shutdowns-in-dr-congo/" target="_blank">
http://cipesa.org/2017/03/the-<wbr>evolution-of-internet-<wbr>shutdowns-in-dr-congo/</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">I was one of those who sent praises to AFRINIC for issuing a statement condemning Internet shutdowns and I am glad as a community, we have been thinking on
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have suggested because, to sum up my point here, <i>this will cause so much damage to those entities that will not benefit from resources though they are not associated with the decision (which is a Gov decision most of the times) to shutdown the Internet</i>.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">I note so many other people including Seun have mentioned this in this thread.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><i><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">We need measures that will only affect the entity ordering the shutdown (the Government then the Regulator). In my country for example, it is the Regulator
who is executing an order that came from the Gov. If we decide to not deliver resources to other entities (Schools, research centers, etc), be they related to the Gov, we will be doing more bad to them as they will simply be victims.</span></i><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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from ISPs with regards to Internet shutdown though they are the ones executing, in most cases, the decision to turn it off, a request they receive from the Regulator. In most cases, they have no means to say no given the fact that they have signed an agreement
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will be helpful. One of the possibilities are to engage the Gov. in a win-win discussion. You guys are doing business with the Gov. and you lose money whenever there is shutdown. There is a way you can find an agreement with the Gov. and discuss the fact that
you cannot continue losing money when there is no appealing reason to shutdown the Internet. We have ISPs as AFRINIC members, this is something they can think of and come up with a proposal (with the support of the community).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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CEO,<i> <a href="http://www.smart-serv.info/" target="_blank">Smart Services Sarl</a></i>,
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