<div dir="auto">Hi Seun,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Indeed Tutu has raise some great pointers and in addition to your centiments, i am of the view this kind of approach is more fruitful ref: internet shutdowns and censorship.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I suppose AFRINIC has been in the past engaging governments through the AFGWG and i would be keep to get some insights from AFRINIC regarding the same.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Meanwhile, could AFRINIC organise a BoF during the upcoming meeting where all those who will be on the ground can discuss some of these pertinent issues openly. We could have a panel discussion and discuss this issue way better.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">AFRINIC could also invite some of the government officials and other internet leaders to this kind of BoF.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I believe a BoF is one way for AFRINIC to be proactive in engaging the wider community.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Also we could get folk from countries where the internet has ever been disconnected including cameroon to share more ideas on how to approach this issue.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Noah</div><br><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 Apr 2017 12:24 p.m., "Seun Ojedeji" <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="m_-4817975575707277785m_-111038300104795699m_-423277452851207343m_7515698440721087009quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><Taking this to the community list, where it belongs><br><br></div><div>Dear Community,<br><br></div>Tutu raises a critical point and I also strongly agree that we should let this discussion live on. <br><br></div>AFRINIC sure presently have provided various avenues to engage government and as i think there seem to be a slow but steady improvement in govt participation. I wonder how AFRINIC can futher leverage on this to drive down the point about why government needs to stop considering a shutdown of internet or certain service as an option. May be good to hear from staff how participation of the AFGWG has been so far - especially to try to identify challenges to participation and how to resolve them.<br><br>One other thing that comes to mind is whether AFRINIC can be pro-active instead of re-active i.e they are made aware of the planned act and issue strong statement against it hoping that it will get to the ears of relevant authorities and get them to reconsider. This may also be effective if the relationship between AFRINIC and the AU (and regional bodies like ECOWAS, EAC, COMESA etc) is strengthened as that can serve as a channel of communication to the respective governments.<br><br>That said, I will like to pause on the role of AFRINIC as it also seem to me that the role of ISPs is quite critical in this. Traffic distribution structure/topology varies by countries hence there is some level of dependencies that would exist and I wonder if ISPs can leverage upon that as well. Also there are situations where government would ask for shutdown of certain services of the internet(like social media) so connectivity still exist to reduce the outcry, perhaps in those cases, ISPs could also make it clear that its either a total shutdown or nothing and then hope that the country's community/citizens will notice and be loud enough to get government to change their order.<br></div><br></div>Just a few ideas i thought I should throw in here since we seem to have an understanding as a community that an RIR policy cannot be a way to address this very important issue. <br><div><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Regards<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Tutu Ngcaba <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pan.afrikhan@gmail.com" target="_blank">pan.afrikhan@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Dear the Afrinic Ltd,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Since you put out a statement a few days ago condemning internet shutdown problem which is a serious issue.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Can you please take this issue up and drive it. I request that the Afrinic shall and should make this as an angenda topic also in meetings to come. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We should also involve all isoc chapters in all our countries.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We can discuss the internet shutdown under the Africann and community mailing list and engage all members but not through policy.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This will make the statement the Afrinic made as about shutdown as the main agenda and even we use avenues like the Afrinic AFGWG. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Multistake holder meeting is also important for engaging our governements.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So i believe we can all take this discussion to community and Africann mailing list and the Afrinic can engage the people.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This way we can get all concerned african people together and find wiser ways of engaging our governments.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Most African country economy depend on agriculture and not Internet. So internet is nothing to governments when they chose to shutdown temporaly since to them shutdown has only small term economic impact that is why some do it in most cases to contain chaos or riots. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Let us keep in mind that some countries presidents are in power for so many years and the government can do anything.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So simple questions like why do some governments do it are important.</div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Awareness and education is more important not policy.</span></div><span><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Best Regards,<br><br>Tutu Ngcaba<br>Kwazulu Techno Hubs<br>South Africa<br><br></div></div></span></div>
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